[REL] Dark Waters

[propbeanie]

Exclusively "fighter" bases can be done by "cloning" the existing "LAB_SmallAirBaseGe" and renaming it something like "LAB_FigherAirBaseGe" or whatever. Don't forget the Roster file, and to re-map the IDs of the binary files. You then take the Land folders cfg file, and limit the AirGroups to a fighter plane or two - don't do too many. You could also "date" multiple AirGroups, like on the CV in the game. The thing with "fighter" aircraft is "no, they do not fight each other"... a massive oversight on the devs part. In SH2, OK, understandable. SH3 is stretching it, but to bring the ~same~ krapp into SH4 is inexcusable... while "accurate" AI dogfights would be difficult, the least they could do is shoot at each other on their way by... My guess is that, similar to the way planes will attack a ship until they are a flaming fireball and/ or shot down, similar probably happened if they go to attack each other, in that ~that~ would be all that the planes would do... all of them, including level bombers...

Now, another thing to remember about AirBases, is that if you happen to "see" an enemy target (which can happen without your periscope being raised, but at periscope depth, since the XO counter-manded your "do NOT raise the periscope!!!" order), and there is an AirBase within range, the airbase will send a "response" your way, whether you fone home or not. When you use the grease pencil, you are specifically telling a "scout" plane where to go. Look through some of the Land folder things that lurker did with the original OpMonsun, which are still in Dark Waters, and you'll see examples of some of his cloned airbases. He has some for specific air groups at specific time frames in specific locations for the mod. He also cloned the air base that is controllable by the grease pencil to restrict it to certain planes at certain locations and time. I do not know if you can control fighters and regular bombers the same way, but I have never tried...

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Exclusively "fighter" bases can be done by "cloning" the existing "LAB_SmallAirBaseGe" and renaming it something like "LAB_FigherAirBaseGe" or whatever. Don't forget the Roster file, and to re-map the IDs of the binary files. You then take the Land folders cfg file, and limit the AirGroups to a fighter plane or two - don't do too many. You could also "date" multiple AirGroups, like on the CV in the game. The thing with "fighter" aircraft is "no, they do not fight each other"... a massive oversight on the devs part. In SH2, OK, understandable. SH3 is stretching it, but to bring the ~same~ krapp into SH4 is inexcusable... while "accurate" AI dogfights would be difficult, the least they could do is shoot at each other on their way by... My guess is that, similar to the way planes will attack a ship until they are a flaming fireball and/ or shot down, similar probably happened if they go to attack each other, in that ~that~ would be all that the planes would do... all of them, including level bombers...

Now, another thing to remember about AirBases, is that if you happen to "see" an enemy target (which can happen without your periscope being raised, but at periscope depth, since the XO counter-manded your "do NOT raise the periscope!!!" order), and there is an AirBase within range, the airbase will send a "response" your way, whether you fone home or not. When you use the grease pencil, you are specifically telling a "scout" plane where to go. Look through some of the Land folder things that lurker did with the original OpMonsun, which are still in Dark Waters, and you'll see examples of some of his cloned airbases. He has some for specific air groups at specific time frames in specific locations for the mod. He also cloned the air base that is controllable by the grease pencil to restrict it to certain planes at certain locations and time. I do not know if you can control fighters and regular bombers the same way, but I have never tried...

if i created German fighter bases and they appear on the map and i use the grease pencil to activate them and during their patrol they encounter British Coastal Command aircraft, will they engage?

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

if i created German fighter bases and they appear on the map and i use the grease pencil to activate them and during their patrol they encounter British Coastal Command aircraft, will they engage?

See above

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

See above

OK, with that in mind, move over to the Pacific.
What about the air battles that create the lifeguard missions in the Solomons, etc?

[propbeanie]

Fake... lol - the planes are "scripted" in most mods and stock, and both sides will be in the "scene" at the same time, but notice that they do not dogfight... lol


As for the CareerStarts, using just Dark Waters:





I did not attempt to sink anything yet, currently driving the XXIII...

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Fake... lol - the planes are "scripted" in most mods and stock, and both sides will be in the "scene" at the same time, but notice that they do not dogfight... lol

you HAVE to be kidding me!?!?!?
so, the "scripted" engagements are airedales doing loop-de-loops and then crashing into the ocean on the hopes that one of us will rescue them?

Originally Posted by propbeanie

As for the CareerStarts, using just Dark Waters:
I did not attempt to sink anything yet, currently driving the XXIII...

well, that figures.
why didn't you get the old IT-troubleshooting stamp that says: probable user error.

p.s. the problem is the DW Errors Fix mod. apparently, DW cannot abide the Stock errors being fixed.
so...i guess we will remove that mod and sail on.

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

you HAVE to be kidding me!?!?!?
so, the "scripted" engagements are airedales doing loop-de-loops and then crashing into the ocean on the hopes that one of us will rescue them?

Shhh... don't tell anyone, but the "Rescue Targets" are also scripted... If a US plane does happen to crash within the designated target zone, then yes, he counts toward the rescue count, but outside the zone, they do not - though you can pick them up. You cannot pick-up Japanese survivors though to bring them in for questioning... which really, they should have allowed that,..

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

well, that figures.
why didn't you get the old IT-troubleshooting stamp that says: probable user error.

p.s. the problem is the DW Errors Fix mod. apparently, DW cannot abide the Stock errors being fixed.
so...i guess we will remove that mod and sail on.

Ahhh... good find. Yeah, you could activate all of your Dark Waters mods, then run the tools for a "fix pack", which might be slightly necessary, but probably won't yield as many errors as the Stock game has, since those tools were run during DW development, but I am almost 99.9% certain there are still errors in the Campaign, due to infecting them anew with edits for DW ( guilty! ), but also from existing errors that are both of the type that are difficult to track down, except with a BUNCH of campaign testing...