The tears you see on my face is crocodile tears

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your speech.

True, but me thinks this verdict skates pretty close to the edge of that "slippery slope".

[ET2SN]

Originally Posted by MaDef

True, but me thinks this verdict skates pretty close to the edge of that "slippery slope".

How? He was mocking the parents of children who died in a school shooting.
Parents he had never met and did not know. His actions caused those parents to get death threats from his listeners.

If that isn't "the bottom of the barrel", its pretty close.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by MaDef

True, but me thinks this verdict skates pretty close to the edge of that "slippery slope".

I don't see any slippery slope here at all.



No one is arresting him. No one is preventing him from saying what every he wants to say. He is just being held accountable for what he says.

[Skybird]

Words somebody says, trigger actions, cause motivations, make people do things and form decisions.

Its like with ideology and why I strictly oppose some - namely Islam - of them: because of their motivational power and the dangeorus stuff they try to motivate for.

You are free to say what you want. He did. Now he is held accountable for what he said, due to the consequences he triggered or helped to support by his words. Because I agree with the need to confront the consequences caused and the actions that took place. I see them as a serious threat to the common good, and in the end: freedom itself. This imo justfies to hold him accountable for what he helped to support.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by ET2SN

How? He was mocking the parents of children who died in a school shooting.
Parents he had never met and did not know. His actions caused those parents to get death threats from his listeners.

If that isn't "the bottom of the barrel", its pretty close.

Originally Posted by Platapus

I don't see any slippery slope here at all.



No one is arresting him. No one is preventing him from saying what every he wants to say. He is just being held accountable for what he says.

Alex Jones may be a nut-job, but even nut-jobs have a right to speak their minds.

This is just the "next step" for the "cancel culture" ideal, next it will become illegal (criminal) to express certain views in public (such as it is in Sweden, Germany & the U.K.).When you start censuring people for their opinions everybody looses, where do you draw the line?

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by MaDef

Alex Jones may be a nut-job, but even nut-jobs have a right to speak their minds.

This is just the "next step" for the "cancel culture" ideal, next it will become illegal (criminal) to express certain views in public (such as it is in Sweden, Germany & the U.K.).When you start censuring people for their opinions everybody looses, where do you draw the line?

Ridiculous. He can continue saying these things all he wants and continue to be sued for doing it. He was sued by pivate citizens whom he had caused damage to. No different than suing someone for slander or causing damage to your property.

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Ridiculous. He can continue saying these things all he wants and continue to be sued for doing it. He was sued by pivate citizens whom he had caused damage to. No different than suing someone for slander or causing damage to your property.

Which part? the fact that crazy people should be able to speak their minds? Or the Idea that the "cancel culture" is making inroads into curtailing "free speech"?

[Buddahaid]

The part where you can't separate the government repressing free speech from a civil suit for damages.

[mapuc]

Of course there are free speech in many countries, where USA is one of them.

I also know that beside having this free speech you have also a responsibility for what comes out of your mouth.

Alex should have when the first report of death threats against some of these parents have stopped right there.

In fact he so to say in his weekly speech encourage his followers to continue.
(This is taken from a Danish news paper, who had an article some month ago)

The verdict should have been prison-Cause he has no possibility to pay such a huge amount.

Secondly.
I hope they get these listerne who have sent death threats to these parents.

Sending death threats has nothing to do with free speech.

Markus

[Dowly]

I encourage everyone in need of a good laugh to go watch videos of the trial. Especially the one's with Alex Jones giving testimony. It's comedy gold.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Dowly

I encourage everyone in need of a good laugh to go watch videos of the trial. Especially the one's with Alex Jones giving testimony. It's comedy gold.

True that

[Ostfriese]

Originally Posted by mapuc

The verdict should have been prison-Cause he has no possibility to pay such a huge amount.

Well, a prison term is a verdict given in a criminal case (by the state). The Alex Jones case was a civil lawsuit.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Ostfriese

Well, a prison term is a verdict given in a criminal case (by the state). The Alex Jones case was a civil lawsuit.

You right I keep on forgetting your law is somehow different from ours here in Scandinavia.

Here Alex would have stand trial in an ordinary court-Criminal case.
I guess he would have been accused of defamation(Trying to find the English word for Injurier, which is more accurate than defamation)

I copied following from Danish Criminal law

Libel is a term for defamation and covers e.g. over derogatory and insulting statements or actions towards other persons.

It is illegal to make or disseminate libelous or defamatory statements about others in public. This means that you must neither violate the name or reputation of others, nor hang people out on social media and accuse them of actions that they have not committed.

Well forgot the next most important about jail.

Here a person who is convicted and can't pay-Will be prisoner and the state will pay the money to the victim.

Markus