Oscar II subs for who???

Sea Demon · 07-20-06, 08:58 PM

So Russia is intending to finish the last Oscar II submarine (Belgorad) for another country? Who do you suppose would be the nation the Russian Defense Ministry is talking about? :hmm: China, India, Ukraine?

See the Subsim homepage for the story.

PeriscopeDepth · 07-21-06, 05:02 AM

From what I read in the article, it seemed as if they'd be willing. No buyers yet, though.

PD

Oberon · 07-21-06, 05:54 AM

It'll be the Chinese, they'll be in the market for a carrier killer for sure.

Kapitan · 07-21-06, 06:29 AM

China or india most likely china she is the only one currently with the finacial means to keep this submarine in service, and arm it.

XabbaRus · 07-21-06, 07:05 AM

I disagree.

I think it is India, they have the means and they want a nuke badly. Oscar II would be a short cut to that end. Also would be better than anything the Chinese have or will have. Even just the one would put India in the superior position.

Kapitan · 07-21-06, 07:11 AM

I have to agree with xabbarus as well although the chinese option is more favourable, i do think india is also a good power to have this submarine, and with it india would be untouchable by the pakistani navy, this submarine could take out everything single handed.

However each submarine costs around $1.5 billion and your looking at a fair amount more to keep it in service parts weapons crew training ect, the indian economy is good but i think it does lack alot of strengh to support such a large powerful vessel for many years.

For china and india this submarine would be a great addition to thier fleet, they have the most powerfullest attack submarine in the world in thier hands, who wouldnt be happy? bar the americans.

Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense · 07-21-06, 07:45 AM

India... who else...

they're hell bent on an out of control arms buildup that will surely come to a head as all parties in the region race to buy the latest and the greatest from the US or the former USSR... or France, the UK, Japan, etc...

i wonder what justification they use for this when a significant number of their own people still live in squalid conditions of poverty...

the revererd Mahatma would surely turn over twice in his grave...

--Mike

tycho102 · 07-21-06, 12:29 PM

Yeah, it's supposed to be going to India. India has been working on a sub reactor for over decade, and they've been enlisting the aid of Russians to do it. As I understand it, they've got a working prototype but just don't have the actual ship built to contain it.

Kapitan · 07-21-06, 12:47 PM

It will go lovely with them two akulas they have coming, they are the most powerfullest navy in the indian ocean and these submarines will re inforce that.

However they may want more and these submarines are not cheap kursk cost $1.3 billion and that was in the 1990's immagine the cost now.

PeriscopeDepth · 07-21-06, 01:21 PM

Powerfullest?

PD

Kapitan · 07-21-06, 01:27 PM

In terms of fire power she is by far thee most powerfullest, she can carry 24 nuclear armed cruise missiles in contrast the 688i can only carry 12, but with the advent of the ohio SSGN it brings a new meaning.

The ohios are more land attack not a offical attack submarine, while the oscars carry 24 missiles and the ohios 154 most of the ohios will probably be for land attack, but in terms of capibility in sinking masses of ships the oscars wont have a problem theres 11 of them and only 4 ohios.

Ohios dont carry as many torpedos nor as many topedo tubes in contrast they are just submerging missile batteries the pure role of the oscar was laid out from day 1 unlike the ohios.

Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense · 07-21-06, 01:43 PM

question...

1- who is India preparing for war against... all this military procurement lately

2- why would they think that having nuclear weapons makes them more secure... it didn't make the US or USSR any more secure during the cold war...

3- why would the Russians supply the Indians with a long range nuclear delivery capability... one that will definitely be harder to target should the need arise...

4- do the Indians think that they can financially sustain the infrastructure required by these new resources...

--Mike

Kapitan · 07-21-06, 02:06 PM

Same could be said for pakistan, both nations have a history of arms races and this is what it is pakistan is no where near as rich as india and can only afford $3.2billion on its defence india tops of $10 billion.

As for sustaining the cost yes i think india could maintain this submarine to a resonable level.

Who is it preparing for war against? pakistan of corse

Why do nuclear weapons make them safer? its not about saftey its about MAD.

Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense · 07-21-06, 04:10 PM

well, given the fact that almost half the population of India lives at or below the poverty line, i would think that taking care of their own people's welfare would take precedence over making them a target for nuclear aniallation...

MAD is definitely the correct term if India thinks they need an Oscar class submarine fleet armed with nucs, in order to defend themselves against Pakistan...

--Mike

SUBMAN1 · 07-21-06, 10:50 PM

China. Does Russia know that it could be sealing its own fate with all these sales?

-S

07-20-06, 08:58 PM	#1
Sea Demon Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,552 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Oscar II subs for who??? So Russia is intending to finish the last Oscar II submarine (Belgorad) for another country? Who do you suppose would be the nation the Russian Defense Ministry is talking about? :hmm: China, India, Ukraine? See the Subsim homepage for the story.

07-21-06, 06:29 AM	#4
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	China or india most likely china she is the only one currently with the finacial means to keep this submarine in service, and arm it. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

07-21-06, 07:05 AM	#5
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I disagree. I think it is India, they have the means and they want a nuke badly. Oscar II would be a short cut to that end. Also would be better than anything the Chinese have or will have. Even just the one would put India in the superior position. __________________

07-21-06, 07:11 AM	#6
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	I have to agree with xabbarus as well although the chinese option is more favourable, i do think india is also a good power to have this submarine, and with it india would be untouchable by the pakistani navy, this submarine could take out everything single handed. However each submarine costs around $1.5 billion and your looking at a fair amount more to keep it in service parts weapons crew training ect, the indian economy is good but i think it does lack alot of strengh to support such a large powerful vessel for many years. For china and india this submarine would be a great addition to thier fleet, they have the most powerfullest attack submarine in the world in thier hands, who wouldnt be happy? bar the americans. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

07-21-06, 12:29 PM	#8
tycho102 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,100 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yeah, it's supposed to be going to India. India has been working on a sub reactor for over decade, and they've been enlisting the aid of Russians to do it. As I understand it, they've got a working prototype but just don't have the actual ship built to contain it. __________________ My little Silent Hunter 4 repository

07-21-06, 05:02 AM	#2
PeriscopeDepth Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,894 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	From what I read in the article, it seemed as if they'd be willing. No buyers yet, though. PD

07-21-06, 05:54 AM	#3
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	It'll be the Chinese, they'll be in the market for a carrier killer for sure.

07-21-06, 07:45 AM	#7
Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense Commander Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 445 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	India... who else... they're hell bent on an out of control arms buildup that will surely come to a head as all parties in the region race to buy the latest and the greatest from the US or the former USSR... or France, the UK, Japan, etc... i wonder what justification they use for this when a significant number of their own people still live in squalid conditions of poverty... the revererd Mahatma would surely turn over twice in his grave... --Mike

07-21-06, 12:47 PM	#9
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	It will go lovely with them two akulas they have coming, they are the most powerfullest navy in the indian ocean and these submarines will re inforce that. However they may want more and these submarines are not cheap kursk cost $1.3 billion and that was in the 1990's immagine the cost now. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

07-21-06, 01:21 PM	#10
PeriscopeDepth Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,894 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Powerfullest? PD

07-21-06, 01:27 PM	#11
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	In terms of fire power she is by far thee most powerfullest, she can carry 24 nuclear armed cruise missiles in contrast the 688i can only carry 12, but with the advent of the ohio SSGN it brings a new meaning. The ohios are more land attack not a offical attack submarine, while the oscars carry 24 missiles and the ohios 154 most of the ohios will probably be for land attack, but in terms of capibility in sinking masses of ships the oscars wont have a problem theres 11 of them and only 4 ohios. Ohios dont carry as many torpedos nor as many topedo tubes in contrast they are just submerging missile batteries the pure role of the oscar was laid out from day 1 unlike the ohios. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

07-21-06, 01:43 PM	#12
Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense Commander Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 445 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	question... 1- who is India preparing for war against... all this military procurement lately 2- why would they think that having nuclear weapons makes them more secure... it didn't make the US or USSR any more secure during the cold war... 3- why would the Russians supply the Indians with a long range nuclear delivery capability... one that will definitely be harder to target should the need arise... 4- do the Indians think that they can financially sustain the infrastructure required by these new resources... --Mike

07-21-06, 02:06 PM	#13
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Same could be said for pakistan, both nations have a history of arms races and this is what it is pakistan is no where near as rich as india and can only afford $3.2billion on its defence india tops of $10 billion. As for sustaining the cost yes i think india could maintain this submarine to a resonable level. Who is it preparing for war against? pakistan of corse Why do nuclear weapons make them safer? its not about saftey its about MAD. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

07-21-06, 04:10 PM	#14
Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense Commander Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 445 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	well, given the fact that almost half the population of India lives at or below the poverty line, i would think that taking care of their own people's welfare would take precedence over making them a target for nuclear aniallation... MAD is definitely the correct term if India thinks they need an Oscar class submarine fleet armed with nucs, in order to defend themselves against Pakistan... --Mike Last edited by Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense; 07-21-06 at 04:15 PM.

07-21-06, 10:50 PM	#15
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	China. Does Russia know that it could be sealing its own fate with all these sales? -S __________________