Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Dead is not an excuse for doing your duty for your country and if the dead doesn't appear this person will get 10 years in prison. It will be seen as deserting.

Markus

Can not argue that

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Do not know, but Stalingrad was won because it became a kettle

Can't remember his name-But General XX wanted to make a break-out(I think they call it) But Hitler refused and gave him order to stand his ground.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Can't remember his name-But General XX wanted to make a break-out(I think they call it) But Hitler refused and gave him order to stand his ground.

Markus

Field marshal Friedrich Paulus.
After a heavy Soviet offensive overran the last emergency airstrip in Stalingrad on 25 January, the Soviets again offered Paulus a chance to surrender. Paulus radioed Hitler once again for permission. Telling Hitler that collapse was "inevitable," Paulus stressed that his men were without ammunition or food, and he was no longer able to command them. He also said that 18,000 men were wounded and were in immediate need of medical attention. Once again, Hitler rejected Paulus' request out of hand, and ordered him to hold Stalingrad to the death. On 30 January, Paulus informed Hitler that his men were only hours from collapse. Hitler responded by showering a raft of field promotions by radio on Paulus' officers to build up their spirits and bolster their will to hold their ground. Most significantly, he promoted Paulus to field marshal. In deciding to promote him, Hitler noted that there was no known record of a Prussian or German field marshal ever having surrendered. The implication was clear: Paulus was to commit suicide. Hitler implied that if Paulus allowed himself to be taken alive, he would shame Germany's military history

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Field marshal Friedrich Paulus.
After a heavy Soviet offensive overran the last emergency airstrip in Stalingrad on 25 January, the Soviets again offered Paulus a chance to surrender. Paulus radioed Hitler once again for permission. Telling Hitler that collapse was "inevitable," Paulus stressed that his men were without ammunition or food, and he was no longer able to command them. He also said that 18,000 men were wounded and were in immediate need of medical attention. Once again, Hitler rejected Paulus' request out of hand, and ordered him to hold Stalingrad to the death. On 30 January, Paulus informed Hitler that his men were only hours from collapse. Hitler responded by showering a raft of field promotions by radio on Paulus' officers to build up their spirits and bolster their will to hold their ground. Most significantly, he promoted Paulus to field marshal. In deciding to promote him, Hitler noted that there was no known record of a Prussian or German field marshal ever having surrendered. The implication was clear: Paulus was to commit suicide. Hitler implied that if Paulus allowed himself to be taken alive, he would shame Germany's military history

Thank you Dargo-It was this one "Putin rejects commanders’ requests to withdraw from Kherson." Who made me remember Stalingrad.

I have remembered it somehow wrong though.

Someone may say it's Hitler Once again-Taking part in planning of military operations despite having none or very little knowledge.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Thank you Dargo-It was this one "Putin rejects commanders’ requests to withdraw from Kherson." Who made me remember Stalingrad.

I have remembered it somehow wrong though.

Someone may say it's Hitler Once again-Taking part in planning of military operations despite having none or very little knowledge.

Markus

The last tsar did that also and... it did not end well for him and his family.

[Dargo]

“We dealt with the professional Russian army. Now it’s time to defeat the unprofessional army.” Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Valery Zaluzhny reacting to news of Russia’s mobilization.

[Dargo]

Three governors of Russian regions have already criticized military commissariats for mobilizing everyone, even those who are not subject to conscription. They were joined by the pseudo-head of Sevastopol.

This was reported by the "Medusa", the Censor.NET informed.

The first to complain that military commissariats mobilize citizens who do not meet the criteria set by the Ministry of Defense was the head of Yakutia Aysen Nikolayev. Then - the Governor of Magadan region, Sergey Nosov. After them - "to deal with those who were drafted by mistake" gathered the occupation "head" of Sevastopol Mikhail Razvozzhayev.

Now, the governor of Vladimir region Alexander Avdeev said that the military commissariats "mistakenly" mobilized some citizens. According to him, they should return home.

According to the newspaper, there are also known cases in Saratov, Volgograd and Nizhny Novgorod regions and Buryatia, when citizens were mobilized illegally.

Translated from: https://censor.net/ua/n3369379

[Dargo]

Russian media: Russia considers imposing martial law, banning men of draft age from leaving the country.

According to Russian media Verstka, Russia is considering imposing martial law “if Ukraine continues to attack" occupied territories that Russia plans to illegally annex. According to the media, the Kremlin might also ban men of draft age from leaving Russia. The move might be announced ahead of Russian dictator Vladimir Putin’s address to the Federal Assembly which, according to Verstka, is scheduled for Sept. 30. https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/...44568515936257

That resolved quick LOL

[Skybird]

Chaos. A total nuthouse.

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In recent days German media see a rise in publications where authors demand that now is the time the West must press Selensky to accept concessions and negotiate a peace dela with Russia.

I do not agree with these basterds one bit, I only say the media swing around. Putins atomic threats reap harvests.

The dilemma and tragedy of Ukraine is twofold. First, its hopelessly depending on wepakj n deliveries from the West, and so hangs on the mericful drip. If the West decides the ukraine has to stop to not provoke Putler any further, the West can force it by simply not delivering anything anymore. Second, the Russians have occupied the economic heartlands of Ukraine's industry and main parts of its agricultural hotspots, too, much industry that lies outside the occupied territories has been destroyed by the Russians. I know Dargos aid some weeks ago the Donbass is not the only industrial centre, but our media at least describe it as extremely important and relevant, heavy in economic importance. The economic wounds are life-threatening for Ukraine already now, and it is practically bancrupt. In this regard, Russia's war has done an almost complete job.

Russia has lost the war, no doubt. But that does not automatically translate into an Ukrainian win.

We need to keep the rats in the West, who want negotiations with Putin, under tight control, keeping them on the shortest of lines.

[Catfish]

^ What exactly did you say, about Sarah Wagenknecht?
Unbelievable.
Yes, negotiations are necessary. But only after Russia has reached the borders of before 2014.

[kpv1974]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Chaos. A total nuthouse.

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In recent days German media see a rise in publications where authors demand that now is the time the West must press Selensky to accept concessions and negotiate a peace dela with Russia.

I do not agree with these basterds one bit, I only say the media swing around. Putins atomic threats reap harvests.

The dilemma and tragedy of Ukraine is twofold. First, its hopelessly depending on wepakj n deliveries from the West, and so hangs on the mericful drip. If the West decides the ukraine has to stop to not provoke Putler any further, the West can force it by simply not delivering anything anymore. Second, the Russians have occupied the economic heartlands of Ukraine's industry and main parts of its agricultural hotspots, too, much industry that lies outside the occupied territories has been destroyed by the Russians. I know Dargos aid some weeks ago the Donbass is not the only industrial centre, but our media at least describe it as extremely important and relevant, heavy in economic importance. The economic wounds are life-threatening for Ukraine already now, and it is practically bancrupt. In this regard, Russia's war has done an almost complete job.

Russia has lost the war, no doubt. But that does not automatically translate into an Ukrainian win.

We need to keep the rats in the West, who want negotiations with Putin, under tight control, keeping them on the shortest of lines.

December will be a turning point. Putin will inflict a nuclear strike on the Anglo-Saxons.

God bless us all.

The living envy the dead.

Putin's strategy is not about losing.

Either Putin wins, or the whole world is in ruins.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by kpv1974

December will be a turning point. Putin will inflict a nuclear strike on the Anglo-Saxons.
God bless us all.
The living envy the dead.
Putin's strategy is not about losing.
Either Putin wins, or the whole world is in ruins.

He cannot win. And god does not "bless Russia".
To fulfill Putin's egoism Russia and the rest of the world should die? Children, men women, animals, all. Brilliant.
You attack another nation and dare to threaten the whole world with war because you are not able to win?
Are you crazy? I'd rather propose to get rid of your dictator.

B.t.w. this is the future of the russian "army"?

[kpv1974]

Originally Posted by Catfish

He cannot win. And god does not "bless Russia".
To fulfill Putin's egoism Russia and the rest of the world should die? Children, men women, animals, all. Brilliant.
You attack another nation and dare to threaten the whole world with war because you are not able to win?
Are you crazy? I'd rather propose to get rid of your dictator.

B.t.w. this is the future of the russian "army"?

mad, does not know that they are mad. He performs a mission that is known only to him, which is dictated to him by the "inner voice".
In psychiatry, there is some explanation for this deviation.

it's called schizophrenia, but in a milder form, it's like paranoia.
Putin is pure paranoid.
Therefore, he will not flinch by pressing the red button.
For us in Russia, he said a long time ago - that we will go to heaven, and the Anglo-Saxons will burn in the fire.
He's just sick. And he is dangerous.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by kpv1974

December will be a turning point. Putin will inflict a nuclear strike on the Anglo-Saxons.

God bless us all.

The living envy the dead.

Putin's strategy is not about losing.

Either Putin wins, or the whole world is in ruins.

Talking about turning points, Russia already had it they gone lose nukes will not give them victory or save face it will be burned of this earth by the retaliation, so December will not happen Putin is stupid but not that stupid. The principal role of nuclear weapons is to deter potential adversaries from an attack, nothing else.

[kpv1974]

Originally Posted by Dargo

Talking about turning points, Russia already had it they gone lose nukes will not give them victory or save face it will be burned of this earth by the retaliation, so December will not happen Putin is stupid but not that stupid. The principal role of nuclear weapons is to deter potential adversaries from an attack, nothing else.

We have to wait until December.
A cornered rat is capable of amazing things.