[REL] Dark Waters

Bubblehead1980 · 07-10-22, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Excellent. Thanks for the link

propbeanie · 07-11-22, 10:04 AM

The real KM grid was created with a Mercator map, which is what SH4's NavMap is. The game's KM grid does not have all of the idiosyncrasies that the real one does, but it is very close. As for the Lat Long coordinates in SH4, remember that they use the decimal system n the ME, and not the minutes / seconds, so if you see -153.74, you are going west from the Meridian, probably somewhere just east of Pearl Harbor (depending upon the Latitude of course), but that the .74 would equate to roughly 44 minutes, 24 seconds, or round it to 45 minutes. I have not seen too many locations off by much. Just remember that everything is "flat" Mercator, even when you are on the boat. As you say though, a KM grid that can be imported into the ME would have been a really nice touch for them to do... It might be possible to do, but I cannot wrap my brain around it just yet. Maybe someone else has some ideas??

Bubblehead1980 · 07-11-22, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

The real KM grid was created with a Mercator map, which is what SH4's NavMap is. The game's KM grid does not have all of the idiosyncrasies that the real one does, but it is very close. As for the Lat Long coordinates in SH4, remember that they use the decimal system n the ME, and not the minutes / seconds, so if you see -153.74, you are going west from the Meridian, probably somewhere just east of Pearl Harbor (depending upon the Latitude of course), but that the .74 would equate to roughly 44 minutes, 24 seconds, or round it to 45 minutes. I have not seen too many locations off by much. Just remember that everything is "flat" Mercator, even when you are on the boat. As you say though, a KM grid that can be imported into the ME would have been a really nice touch for them to do... It might be possible to do, but I cannot wrap my brain around it just yet. Maybe someone else has some ideas??

I understand that, but things are still off in many cases. I noticed this when building the campaign traffic for TMO Update, especially with historic contacts and Ultras. Real world coordinates often differ than those in the sim, so I would have to give slightly different coordinates in ULTRA's vs real world in order for things to work properly. Due to earth being flat, journeys often take longer than would have in real world, so have to alter start dates and times as well.

Im sure you are aware of this. For example, HX-79 departed Halifax on 9 September 1940 but if have it leave historic time in game, not possible for it bd proper position for historic engagement even at max speed, so have had to make it depart on 6 September in order to be in proper position for first contact with U-47 and for follow up attacks.

KaleunMarco · 09-16-22, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

The real KM grid was created with a Mercator map, which is what SH4's NavMap is. The game's KM grid does not have all of the idiosyncrasies that the real one does, but it is very close. As for the Lat Long coordinates in SH4, remember that they use the decimal system n the ME, and not the minutes / seconds, so if you see -153.74, you are going west from the Meridian, probably somewhere just east of Pearl Harbor (depending upon the Latitude of course), but that the .74 would equate to roughly 44 minutes, 24 seconds, or round it to 45 minutes. I have not seen too many locations off by much. Just remember that everything is "flat" Mercator, even when you are on the boat. As you say though, a KM grid that can be imported into the ME would have been a really nice touch for them to do... It might be possible to do, but I cannot wrap my brain around it just yet. Maybe someone else has some ideas??

PB (and anyone else)
is The ATO Grid represented in a dotMIS file or is it a graphic that overlays the map at game-execution time?

propbeanie · 09-16-22, 01:03 PM

It is an overlay, defined in the files of Game /Data /Menu /KGrid folder,

KaleunMarco · 09-16-22, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

It is an overlay, defined in the files of Game /Data /Menu /KGrid folder,

yeah, i was leaning in that direction but couldn't find it.
thanks.

propbeanie · 09-16-22, 09:06 PM

For SH4, it should be the whole world...

09-22-22, 12:45 PM

The destroyers find me, even though I'm at periscope depth and not moving. I only take out observer periscope for a short period of time. I mostly follow the hydrophone.

The mod has an option "harder escorts" and even "harder escorts v2(!!!)" - what's going on there?

07-11-22, 10:04 AM	#2
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,129 Downloads: 452 Uploads: 4	The real KM grid was created with a Mercator map, which is what SH4's NavMap is. The game's KM grid does not have all of the idiosyncrasies that the real one does, but it is very close. As for the Lat Long coordinates in SH4, remember that they use the decimal system n the ME, and not the minutes / seconds, so if you see -153.74, you are going west from the Meridian, probably somewhere just east of Pearl Harbor (depending upon the Latitude of course), but that the .74 would equate to roughly 44 minutes, 24 seconds, or round it to 45 minutes. I have not seen too many locations off by much. Just remember that everything is "flat" Mercator, even when you are on the boat. As you say though, a KM grid that can be imported into the ME would have been a really nice touch for them to do... It might be possible to do, but I cannot wrap my brain around it just yet. Maybe someone else has some ideas?? __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

09-16-22, 01:03 PM	#5
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,129 Downloads: 452 Uploads: 4	It is an overlay, defined in the files of Game /Data /Menu /KGrid folder, __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

09-16-22, 09:06 PM	#7
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,129 Downloads: 452 Uploads: 4	For SH4, it should be the whole world... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

09-22-22, 12:45 PM	#8
rainbowjose Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	The destroyers find me, even though I'm at periscope depth and not moving. I only take out observer periscope for a short period of time. I mostly follow the hydrophone. The mod has an option "harder escorts" and even "harder escorts v2(!!!)" - what's going on there?