[REL] Dark Waters

[KaleunMarco]

Herr Kaleuns,

be advised that there is an unexpected logic error in the Black Sea Flotilla home ported in Contanza, Romania.

when you reach the end of the life of the port in August 1944, you should be ordered to scuttle your boat and retire. instead, you are given a Type XXIII, still based in Contanza and when you shove off on your next mission, SH4 takes a CTD.

if you reach this point, definitely refuse the boat upgrade and end your career.

i'll have to take a look at the logic again and try and figure out what we mis-calculated.

[Bubblehead1980]

Just wrapped up first "Drumbeat" patrol December 25, 1941- February 27, 1942.


Patrolled off New York and down to Outer Banks of North Carolina. Sunk eight ships for 51,054 tons. Six merchants, two tankers.


No surface ASW patrols encountered, even when just a few KM off shore. Only one Ventura patrol aircraft spotted, did not spot me.

Interesting enough, did have two merchants attempt to ram me when got too close at night.

Also, had a merchant respond to area after torpedoed another merchant. While waiting for it to sink, second merchant arrived in area, fired star shells and searched for my boat. Armed with deck guns fired at me, but submerged and attacked, sinking it.


Following what many Kaleuns did when off east coast during this time, submerged during daylight, rested on sea floor, surfaced at night to hunt. Exception being when a contact came near, detected by sound, would close for submerged attack in daylight. Sunk a large tanker off entrance to Chesapeake Bay.


Hopefully will be bit more of a challenge next patrol which has me off Jacksonville, FL area.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

Herr Kaleuns,

be advised that there is an unexpected logic error in the Black Sea Flotilla home ported in Contanza, Romania.

when you reach the end of the life of the port in August 1944, you should be ordered to scuttle your boat and retire. instead, you are given a Type XXIII, still based in Contanza and when you shove off on your next mission, SH4 takes a CTD.

if you reach this point, definitely refuse the boat upgrade and end your career.

i'll have to take a look at the logic again and try and figure out what we mis-calculated.

Thanks for the headsup


I have not explored that portion of the mod yet.

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by KaleunMarco

Herr Kaleuns,

be advised that there is an unexpected logic error in the Black Sea Flotilla home ported in Contanza, Romania.

when you reach the end of the life of the port in August 1944, you should be ordered to scuttle your boat and retire. instead, you are given a Type XXIII, still based in Contanza and when you shove off on your next mission, SH4 takes a CTD.

if you reach this point, definitely refuse the boat upgrade and end your career.

i'll have to take a look at the logic again and try and figure out what we mis-calculated.

Check the "Command" dates, versus the Base dates, versus the Type IIB dates. I thought we had done a "fix" for that, but it probably did not go out in time for the v6 mix. Specifically, the Command (ID=30Flotilla") has

AvailabilityInterval=1942-09-21, 1944-09-01

While the base Constanza has

AvailabilityInterval= NULL, 1944-08-25 pre-dating the Command

and the Type IIB submarine has

AvailabilityInterval= NULL, NULL

In effect, what happens, is that the boat with the NULL, NULL follows the Base date of 1944-08-25 and is terminated then. However, since you are still assigned to "30Flotilla" (the ID line) for the actual Command, you then are in need of a Submarine with which to patrol in, so the game, out of the kindness of its heart, grants you a new one... even though it is an inappropriate assignment and there is no base from which to sail again, the game did in fact, give it to you, and has therefore "done its job". So what if it causes a CTD? meh

To "fix" it, try the Base itself as a NULL, NULL also, so that both the boat and the base follow the Availability of the 30Flotilla Command... maybe... - If that does not work, then change the date of the 30Flotilla to 1942-09-21, 1944-08-24, a day earlier than the Base's demise... I am almost positive though, that the "fix" was to do the NULL, NULL... ??

[Bubblehead1980]

While on patrol in North Atlantic in Feb 1942, searching for convoys, decided to pull up losses for 1942. While I was aware of heavy overall losses for the war, seeing it broken down by year, especially seeing how losses were relatively low until 1943, when the numbers grew staggering. Quite sobering.


1939- 9 U Boats lost.

1940- 24 U Boats lost


1941-35 U boats lost


1942- 87 U Boats lost


1943- 244 U Boats lost


1944-249 U Boats lost.


1945- 120 U Boats lost.




https://uboat.net/fates/losses/

[Mad Mardigan]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

While on patrol in North Atlantic in Feb 1942, searching for convoys, decided to pull up losses for 1942. While I was aware of heavy overall losses for the war, seeing it broken down by year, especially seeing how losses were relatively low until 1943, when the numbers grew staggering. Quite sobering.


1939- 9 U Boats lost.

1940- 24 U Boats lost


1941-35 U boats lost


1942- 87 U Boats lost


1943- 244 U Boats lost


1944-249 U Boats lost.


1945- 120 U Boats lost.




https://uboat.net/fates/losses/

...of the more than 40,000 men that served on U-boats between 1939 and 1945, fewer than 10,000 survived the war.



Sobering.








M. M.


https://www.warhistoryonline.com/ins...t.html?edg-c=1

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan

...of the more than 40,000 men that served on U-boats between 1939 and 1945, fewer than 10,000 survived the war.



Sobering.








M. M.


https://www.warhistoryonline.com/ins...t.html?edg-c=1

Yes, quite sobering.

[Bubblehead1980]

This mod will test patience lol . Grid AK in North Atlantic, in the convoy routes...almost 50 days on patrol, 41 in area with no contacts lol.

[Larry]

Gooday all, trying to fix this but need some good advice please. When I have tool helper on and go to use the ruler the "+" that is to mark the start point is not centered on protractor. If I turn off the tool helper, then use ruler the "+" is centered. I am not good at modeing/coding any help is Greatly Appreciated. Thank You in advance.

I am using

Silent Hunter 4 V1.5 (STEAM)
Ops Monsun V705 patched to V720
OM V720 patch 5
OM Dark Waters 6
900 Dark WatersV6 Errors Mod
OM PlotV415

[Bubblehead1980]

Apparently US DD's have the same invincible qualities as enemy DD's in TMO.


Torpedoed a Fletcher "down the throat" but torpedo hit the side when it turned, it left me alone but did not sink no visible damage.



Torpedoed a second down the throat, hit him right in the bow, he shrugged it off!! lol Ugh.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Check the "Command" dates, versus the Base dates, versus the Type IIB dates. I thought we had done a "fix" for that, but it probably did not go out in time for the v6 mix. Specifically, the Command (ID=30Flotilla") has

AvailabilityInterval=1942-09-21, 1944-09-01

While the base Constanza has

AvailabilityInterval= NULL, 1944-08-25 pre-dating the Command

and the Type IIB submarine has

AvailabilityInterval= NULL, NULL

In effect, what happens, is that the boat with the NULL, NULL follows the Base date of 1944-08-25 and is terminated then. However, since you are still assigned to "30Flotilla" (the ID line) for the actual Command, you then are in need of a Submarine with which to patrol in, so the game, out of the kindness of its heart, grants you a new one... even though it is an inappropriate assignment and there is no base from which to sail again, the game did in fact, give it to you, and has therefore "done its job". So what if it causes a CTD? meh

To "fix" it, try the Base itself as a NULL, NULL also, so that both the boat and the base follow the Availability of the 30Flotilla Command... maybe... - If that does not work, then change the date of the 30Flotilla to 1942-09-21, 1944-08-24, a day earlier than the Base's demise... I am almost positive though, that the "fix" was to do the NULL, NULL... ??

well, this is a new one for me.
check out the change i implemented in Flotillas:

[Flotilla 8]
ID= 30Flotilla
NameDisplayable= 30Flotilla-Flotilla-Name
AvailabilityInterval=1942-09-21, 1944-08-25

[Flotilla 8.Base 1]
ID= F8Constanza
NameDisplayable= 30Flotilla-Base-Name
Info= 30Flotilla-Base-Info
ExternalBaseName= Constanza
AvailabilityInterval= NULL, NULL

[Flotilla 8.UserPlayerUnitType 1]
ID= F8IIBlkS
NameDisplayable= Type IIB U-boat
AvailabilityInterval= NULL, NULL
IDLinkUserPlayerUnitType= IIBlkS
UnitTypeCommonality= 1
IDFlotillaLinkTransferTo= NULL

Now, we hove into port on August 25, right on schedule.
we were asked if we wanted a whole, new boat, and answered, No, Mein Herr.
so, we were in port with our old IIB.
clicked on the New Mission icon and.......


never seen that before.

[propbeanie]

So they (devs) are insistent that you are going to take a new (impossible) submarine, and do the coastal waters Inshore Campaign, eh? I wonder where some of those Black Sea submariners ended up? I mean, besides the Eastern Front and POW camps? Did any skippers or other officers make it back to submarines? Perhaps you could have your boat transfer to... Wilhelmshaven maybe, since they're sending you to the Channel?... No. won't work... Trondheim?? But the Type IIB then would be dated last to August 23 (or maybe 24th??) with an "IDFlotillaLinkTransferTo= 13thFlot_Trondheim"...?? You would have to add a Type IIB there though, such as

ID= F25IIB
NameDisplayable= Type IIB U-boat
AvailabilityInterval= 1944-08-20, 1944-09-01 (or earlier, like 1944-08-26)
IDLinkUserPlayerUnitType= IIB
UnitTypeCommonality= 1
IDFlotillaLinkTransferTo= NULL

The dates are kind of a kicker, until you run through it a few tries and find out what happens with what. You might want to add a temporary CareerStart to the bottom of the list to do an early August start, to help ease the pain of testing... Anyway, it seems the game doesn't want you to quit playing just then - unless you die, but all of the bases are being closed in France, so you can't transfer to them reliably... but you want a transfer to a base such that you "upgrade" naturally to a higher class boat, and that Trondheim we added has a VIIC, IXC-40, and IXD-2 that go kind of deep into the war, plus you are close enough to a XXI base if you get that anyway... but apparently, the game is going to continue from Constanza... and you have already been through the XXI saga, trying to get by Constantinople and what happens then...

Very strange though.

P.S.: You would also need one valid mission assignment for the IIB at Trondheim in the North Sea...

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

So they (devs) are insistent that you are going to take a new (impossible) submarine, and do the coastal waters Inshore Campaign, eh? I wonder where some of those Black Sea submariners ended up? I mean, besides the Eastern Front and POW camps? Did any skippers or other officers make it back to submarines? Perhaps you could have your boat transfer to... Wilhelmshaven maybe, since they're sending you to the Channel?... No. won't work... Trondheim?? But the Type IIB then would be dated last to August 23 (or maybe 24th??) with an "IDFlotillaLinkTransferTo= 13thFlot_Trondheim"...?? You would have to add a Type IIB there though, such as

ID= F25IIB
NameDisplayable= Type IIB U-boat
AvailabilityInterval= 1944-08-20, 1944-09-01 (or earlier, like 1944-08-26)
IDLinkUserPlayerUnitType= IIB
UnitTypeCommonality= 1
IDFlotillaLinkTransferTo= NULL

The dates are kind of a kicker, until you run through it a few tries and find out what happens with what. You might want to add a temporary CareerStart to the bottom of the list to do an early August start, to help ease the pain of testing... Anyway, it seems the game doesn't want you to quit playing just then - unless you die, but all of the bases are being closed in France, so you can't transfer to them reliably... but you want a transfer to a base such that you "upgrade" naturally to a higher class boat, and that Trondheim we added has a VIIC, IXC-40, and IXD-2 that go kind of deep into the war, plus you are close enough to a XXI base if you get that anyway... but apparently, the game is going to continue from Constanza... and you have already been through the XXI saga, trying to get by Constantinople and what happens then...

Very strange though.

P.S.: You would also need one valid mission assignment for the IIB at Trondheim in the North Sea...

no, no , no, no......
the Black Sea-Constanza-IIB career should be ended on August 25, 1944, or thereabouts.
all of the Black Sea Uboats were either sunk by that time or scuttled at approximately that time.

When the Romanians switched sides in 1944, U-9, U-18 and U-24 were scuttled near the harbour, and later raised by the Soviets. The Flotilla's history ended in September 1944, when its three last boats U-19, U-20 and U-23 had to be scuttled[1] on 10 and 11 September near the Turkish coast.

"how does one get off of this thing?"

[propbeanie]

Yeah, but you wouldn't want a new boat either, if that's what the game is insistent upon doing... but would it just transfer you doing that and start giving you the new assignments, or would it transfer you and give you one last Black Sea assignment anyway? That'd be just as bad as what it does now... I suppose just quitting the career and ignoring the new assignment is probably easier. Just Start a new career...

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Yeah, but you wouldn't want a new boat either, if that's what the game is insistent upon doing... but would it just transfer you doing that and start giving you the new assignments, or would it transfer you and give you one last Black Sea assignment anyway? That'd be just as bad as what it does now... I suppose just quitting the career and ignoring the new assignment is probably easier. Just Start a new career...

it did offer me a new boat, which i turned down.
it gave me the default new mission which is a North Sea mission...with the IIB.
however, it did the back-in-time date-thing (assigning me a departure date of August 25 on August 26) and it left me without a home base.
it was my goal to be retired after August 25 but i guess that didn't pan out as expected.

so to recap...on the day we arrived back at home base after a mission:
my Flotilla expires and with it both my home port and my boat expire.
the current Roster end date for a Black Sea IIB is 19451231.
i wonder what the game would do if i changed that to 19440825, matching the Flotilla, Constanza, and IIB?

i think i may try that scenario.