Mass Shooting thread

[Rockstar]

One of the reasons I suggest raising the purchase age to 21 is that it's my understanding juvenile criminal records are sealed and I don't think show up on background checks no matter how comprehensive they are.

[August]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

One of the reasons I suggest raising the purchase age to 21 is that it's my understanding juvenile criminal records are sealed and I don't think show up on background checks no matter how comprehensive they are.

But a persons juvenile criminal records would still be sealed whether the applicant is 18 or 21 so I don't see your point.

[Rockstar]

True, a juvenile criminal history would remain sealed regardless of age. But in my world Since they are sealed I figure a background check at 21 ought to reveal something of whats been going on over the last three years in that persons life. Especially if they haven't changed their ways.

[Gorpet]

Do the people of this planet really need a Politician ?

It looks like the used car salesman figured out how to get off the lot.Go for the local vote, Go for the county vote, Go for the state vote and get to Washington here in America.I'm sure you can see the relation in your own country. Do we really need a Politician? Or would you rather have the business owners the people you buy your groceries and the products that your own country produces in charge?
And another thing when was the last time in your memory your country and it's leaders that you elected are showing the amount of your GNP. And a break down of where that money has been spent and how much has your country for your collective efforts received. And how will you as a citizen ever know if you could live better?

I will say this every single person in your tribe must contribute.It's not what your country can do for you. But what can you do for the country that you want to call home. And if you drop those standards, well you get war and misery. And this is why we have war and misery today.It's called Politician they and their families of course will never have to do without. Will they?

[Onkel Neal]

Hollywood is the wokest place on earth in every other area of social responsibility, but when it comes to the unbridled romanticization of gun violence – crickets.

Here's the best analysis I've come across, regarding violent movies (and games). Sure, people in Japan and Finland watch the same junk and do not turn in mass shooters. But they do not have the massive number of firearms in their country the US does. Now an argument could be made to get rid of the guns and keep the murder movies and shooter training programs, but to be realistic, I don't think the US will turn in all their firearms or follow restrictive gun laws.

I'm not saying there is a solution here, but the man makes a solid point.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

[Onkel Neal]

Hollywood Heavyweights Take a Stand Against Guns on Film After Bill Maher Criticism

On Friday, Bill Maher attacked the hypocrisy of an industry that stands up for gun control laws while putting out movie after movie about men who pick up guns to enact revenge.

“They hate it when gun people say, ‘It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun,’ but they endlessly produce movies with that exact plot,” the comedian said on his show, firing off an endless list of films with the word “vengeance” in the title.

“When liberals scream, ‘Do something!’ after a mass shooting, why aren’t we also dealing with the fact that the average American kid sees 200,000 acts of violence on screens before the age of 18? And that according to the FBI, one of the warning signs of a potential school shooter is ‘a fascination with violence-filled entertainment,’” he added.

Nearly 200 writers, actors, and directors have signed a petition calling for Hollywood to “harness their power as culture makers” and reconsider how they portray gun use in film.

The petition, first reported by the newsletter The Ankler, urges the industry to limit scenes involving children and guns and to explicitly show characters locking their guns and putting them out of the reach of children.

It also asks creators to have “at least one conversation” during pre-production about narrative alternatives to firearm use. It doesn’t call for an outright ban on guns on screen.

So far, it's been signed by big names like Shonda Rhimes, Adam McKay, Judd Apatow, Amy Schumer, Mark Ruffalo, and Jimmy Kimmel. Other signatories include Ted Lasso co-creator Bill Lawrence and horror filmmaker Eli Roth, ironically known for his gruesome death scenes.

[Skybird]

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"A Culture of violence." Oh, I already mentioned that argument several times? Sorry, I fall silent again.


I am not convinced of the arguments Hollywood names now make for "alternative story plots" and what else the quote listed, it soudns a bit like bollocks and the quote's value lies more in the correct diagnosis, not so much in prescribing the correct therapy. My recipe to try is different, and simpler. If you make a crime movie of a murder novel, then it makes no sense of coinsideirng "alenrmtive" plots to not have the murderous deed beign doen with a weapon. The quesiton is how explicitly it mus be depicted, and how often repeated. It might make sense to halve a half-naked love scene inba movie, or a shot under the shower, ther emnight be stories to eb told and films to be made where in the context and logic of the narration itamkes sense. The quesiton is hoe epclcitly it must be filmed, and how often a half naked girl under a shower must be visible in a single movie. In context of erotics this everybody seems to understand. But when it comes to violence in films, where in structure an principle the problem is the same - many people completely mentally block off.



So my recipe, much simpler, is simply this: not that much of all that anymore. Also other films, and elss esxcessive celebration of violence at ever opprutnity. The Battle of Waterloo as depicted in War And Peace is what it is: a battle in war, it make sno sense to delete the elements of war from it. But must every film be a war movie, must every book red be a war book, and must all daily attention in TV and media be focussed on violence and crime? If you focus only on one and the same thing, topic, content in culture, then you have no real culture, but you have a mental monoculture. What wonder then if your mental inner world lacks creativity, change...? What goes into the black box, comes out of the black box: Like in, so out.

[August]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Hollywood Heavyweights Take a Stand Against Guns on Film After Bill Maher Criticism

The petition, first reported by the newsletter The Ankler, urges the industry to limit scenes involving children and guns and to explicitly show characters locking their guns and putting them out of the reach of children.

It also asks creators to have “at least one conversation” during pre-production about narrative alternatives to firearm use. It doesn’t call for an outright ban on guns on screen.

So John Wick unloads his still smoking gun after he uses it to mow down several hundred people. As he puts it in his gun safe, while retrieving another gun more suited to the next batch of folks he intends to take revenge upon, an innocent child asks him if a knife would have done a better job and John Wick replies that it would not have.



Standards are met.