Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Bubble-Olaf and the president of the ukrainian parliament, Ruslan Stefantschuk.






Why do i think of Asterix and Obelix now?

The way you have described Olaf I would say they look like Dick und doof

Markus

[Skybird]

(Dick und Doof : the German show-names for Laurel and Hardy )

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

(Dick und Doof : the German show-names for Laurel and Hardy )

You forgot the directly translation Dick=Thick; Doof= Stupid/Dumb

Markus

[Dargo]

Russian 35th combined-arms army (Izyum) is destroyed by its own command
The Russian 35th army, transferred from the Far East and stationed in Izyum, is successfully destroyed by its own army command as evidenced from this full of irony and snark report received and shared by a Russian livejournal blogger. It tells us about an acute lack of manpower, communications, trench tools and other equipment, in the ill-fated army.

"NO ****ING WAY, BLYAT! Part 1



The 35th army of RF AF, fighting in the forests near Izyum – they asked me to convey a message that, generally speaking, the task of destroying own forces was successfully completed by army’s command – the army is almost gone. To celebrate this event, the army received KAMAZ trucks loaded with shoe polish and toilet paper. The toilet paper, having travelled half the way under pouring rain in trucks with leaky roofs, of course, has fully soaked and without drying it is unsuitable for use (the question of large-scale hanging of the toilet paper to dry is being agreed with the command right now).



The task of destroying own troops was made easier for the command of the 35th army by the fact that, first of all, the army transferred from Far East, without the elements attached to it later, initially represented an incomplete corps with just two full motorised brigades forming the main strike force, and secondly, the forces were driven into the woods to fight the enemy, generally reproducing the conditions of the Hürtgen forest meat grinder of autumn-winter 1944 in the Western front of the Second World War, where the Germans managed for a while to successfully hold off the advance of the allies using only partially combat-ready units, using the terrain, strongpoints and a well-functioning fire system, primarily artillery.



The command of the army only needed to ensure that the forces would not get the necessary means to create various field fortifications and shelters. In forest conditions, when a major part of the enemy missiles and bombs explode at the top of the trees showering everything with shrapnel, this in general solves the question of destroying the personnel and light armoured vehicles, half of which at the moment are non-functional for technical reasons, and another half – due to damage from said shrapnel.



The army command succeeded with this task. From tools for mechanisation and fortification construction, the whole army had around 20 trench charges capable of somewhat increasing the speed of constructing one platoon-level strongpoint. There were not enough BSL-110 spades, picks were missing completely. The lack of spades for construction of at least some form of shelters was compensated by buying up spades from all around the area. At the same time the vehicles parked without shelters for which there were not tools to dig them out, were methodically being destroyed by the enemy.



Since the army did not have any volunteers capable of promptly purchasing and delivering at least some civilian communication equipment, the communications during the main period of hostilities were provided in the first line of battle formation by, at best, field phones TA-57, but for the most part – by messengers.



The enemy however, equipped with modern communication tools and using UAVs freely and on a large-scale, including commercial drones, had an opportunity to deliver substantial blows to our troops taking minimal effort to do so during the hostilities.



Thus, by early June the numbers of combat-ready infantry in certain motorised brigade battalions of the army successfully reached 12-15 people (64th brigade), the combined number of 38th and 64th motorised brigades – less than 100 of truly combat-ready infantry in each brigade.



Wagner and Redut PMCs refused to assault the enemy positions in this area, saying they are not paid THAT MUCH money.



This correspondence received from a battle participant on our side allows us to have the correct answer to the question – “How successfully can the Russian army transfer and bring into combat the combined-arms formations across the whole country?”



The answer is – NO ****ING WAY, BLYAT!



Fight with shoe polish and soaked toilet paper."

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I yesterday red a small mpiece of an article that unfortunately ois hidden behind a paywall. A former KGB colleague of Putin spoke, they were together in some internal KGB seleciton process to some elite unit in the KGB, this man passed and made it, but he said Ptuion was refused. Interestign was what he gave as explanation for that rejection, it was becaue the KGB specialists came to the cocnlusion that by personality Putin were too unable to fully forsee the consequences of his decisions, and that this would mean too much risk for a KGB specialist/agent.

"the conclusion that by personality Putin were too unable to fully for see the consequences of his decisions" same conclusion for a criminal LOL

[Skybird]

Situaitons for Ukranian soldiers becomes more and mnore grim, media do not reflect these and the government hides the real situation to not tackle morale.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=sondermailing

War of attrition, artillery barrages, and trench warfare, all now focussed on small operation zones instead of scattered all across the place. The Russians have finally learned to focus on what they are good at. If it stays this way, the Ukrainians will get slowly minced physically and mentally. So will get the Russians, its just that the Russians have bigger reserves.

[August]

https://twitter.com/JominiW/status/1...5Es1_&ref_url=

[Dargo]

The state of the "great" Russian army, a call between mother and son these are no isolated reports of this "special" operation.

The Russian soldier is evidently desperate to get home – but to no avail. Attempting to go the legal way and discharge via breaking the contract doesn’t seem to always work – the ‘refusniks’ are kept in schools while caring officers tell them how much of scumbags and traitors they are for trying to quit. The only real way to escape is to somehow get to Russia and write a report from there – which is nearly impossible since the border between Ukraine and Russia is secured by FSB officers examining every single car to ensure no “runners” could cross. Add to that delays in payment, and the Russian soldier cannot hide his emotions anymore.

"(R)=Russian soldier (M)=His mother
(R): Hi mom. How’s it going?
(M): Alright. What about you?
(R): It’s f*cked! It’s really, really f*cked!
(M): Eh?
(R): There will be no withdrawal, since there is no such directive that the special f*cking operation will last for 90 days. They said up to A YEAR they can keep us here! F*ck, discharging from here is completely pointless! Here some people wrote reports – they took their weapons, they are now sitting in a school for four days! Just sitting! They are being told how much of *******ots they are, traitors, worse than sh*t-eaters! You’re not men, you’re women! And they are sitting there listing to it all, with a hope to be discharged! F*ck no! Until you get to Russia – no f*cking way you can get discharged! AT ALL! But how can you even get to Russia? FSB at the border, they are checking every single car, every tiny bolt, just in case a runner is hiding there! But the only way is to get there, give up all this sh*t *weapons* and write a report where they couldn’t refuse anymore, only through a court with me. I have no f*cking clue how to get out of here! I have no f*cking ideas! To survive here for a week, you can start a f*cking celebration! F*ck, how sick I am of this f*cking army and this f*cking state! F*ck, it would be better if they attacked us!
(M): What is there to do?
(R): Ring the f*cking soldier mothers committee, f*ck the military prosecution! Tell them – “F*ck, I’m separating, I’m a sick woman, I have one son, bring him back home!” Google: Voronezh, Boguchary, prosecution, commandant’s office…
(M): I spoke to that one, he said – “we are not keeping any there forcibly, he can break the contract any time!”
(R): Yes, yes! Of course! No one is kept here forcibly! “…” Tomorrow we’ll be going to write the refusal reports. I’ll stay there. At least it’s safer there. I’m going to write: “I f*cked this army in the mouth together with this country! I won’t be serving this f*cking dump”. F*ck, I’m going to go to a court with them, these b*tches are not paying me anything. In those three months I should have had 600-700 thousand *rubles*, and what do I have? 300 thousand! They give ZERO f*cks about me.
(M): Why is…by the way… why is nothing, *the operation* coming to an end?
(R): It’s because we can’t even advance one bit! Our army – sucks! Frankly – it sucks! We have no one, no one to advance, do you understand? Eight people to take a village! Eight, mom!!! Against them – 500 people entrenched in concrete! And they have eight people without any support at all! What is there to say?! What “strong” Russian army?! It’s an f*cking SHAM army!"

https://wartranslated.com/intercepte...ing-sham-army/

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by August

https://twitter.com/JominiW/status/1...5Es1_&ref_url=

Severodonetsk was a trap and Russia walked into it with reserves Ukraine has retaken 30% back Russia has a lot of equipment, but they lack personnel that they're now losing in fast amounts a lot of wounded will refuse to go back if they are recovered. Russia treats their soldiers lousy, they are on their own in Ukraine and pays them badly. Now with their reserve army in battle, we see fronts become static that is going swell.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Situaitons for Ukranian soldiers becomes more and mnore grim, media do not reflect these and the government hides the real situation to not tackle morale.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=sondermailing

War of attrition, artillery barrages, and trench warfare, all now focussed on small operation zones instead of scattered all across the place. The Russians have finally learned to focus on what they are good at. If it stays this way, the Ukrainians will get slowly minced physically and mentally. So will get the Russians, its just that the Russians have bigger reserves.

"War of attrition, artillery barrages, and trench warfare" is a good thing for Ukraine they are doing it almost 8 year and gives them time to re-supply their fronts and if they receive the long range weapons they can destroy Russian artillery. Russians have bigger reserves yes, but they lack the personnel to man it certainly if you treat them so bad as Russia does (always done that) Russians are not eager to join this war. When you see Wagner personnel refuse to got to battle you got troubles and Putin has Putin fears to mobilize because people are against that these dictators have power but to a certain level if public opinion where Putin build his power on is against you, it is time to back down

[Dargo]

Ukrainian negotiator Mychajlo Podoljak says there is no point in talking to Russia until Russian troops are "pushed back as far as possible to the Ukrainian border," reports The Guardian.

"Until we have received all the weapons and strengthened our positions and pushed them back as far as possible, there is no point," Podoljak said. Podoljak was responding to an offer from French President Macron. In an interview with regional newspapers, the latter said he is "convinced that it is France's role to mediate." Macron also stated that President Putin made a historic mistake by invading Ukraine and is now isolated. He added that Russia should not be humiliated so that a diplomatic solution is possible when the fighting is over.

[Skybird]

I understand the reason of your arguments pro Ukraine, but I remind of that we hear almost nothing about the losses of the Ukrainians and their supply and moral status and how many wounded they have, and that attrition wars slowly but constantly erode reserves, strengths and capacities. It does not matter so much whether or not Russia advances, or has twice as high casualty rates as the Ukrianians - as long as it makes Ukrainians bleed, erode, weakening them, tiring them. Every human has a breaking point. So has every army.

[mapuc]

The only thing related to our supply and its logistic is that Russia has started to bomb important points in West Ukraine.

(I call it points because my famous wall fell down and I forgot what things are called)

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I understand the reason of your arguments pro Ukraine, but I remind of that we hear almost nothing about the losses of the Ukrainians and their supply and moral status and how many wounded they have, and that attrition wars slowly but constantly erode reserves, strengths and capacities. It does not matter so much whether or not Russia advances, or has twice as high casualty rates as the Ukrianians - as long as it makes Ukrainians bleed, erode, weakening them, tiring them. Every human has a breaking point. So has every army.

The losses of the Ukrainians are high but on this moment they are willing to sacrifice them in the hope, they think, it is worth the gain. The Russians are sending all their troops and resources (active for this operation) to the city of Severodonetsk I hear +10k are now fighting in that area against a much smaller number on the Ukrainian side, and they are not winning that does more to the Russian already poor morale. Ukrainian morale is much better in this battle, the longer they hold the Russians back, the higher it gets. The high casualty rates are important, especially with the Russians because they are short on recruiting soldiers. With the help of the west Ukraine can bleed out the Russians, the more they destroy, the more the Russians have to activate which takes months that Ukraine can use for counteroffensives.

[Dargo]

'Russians throw all reserves at Severodonetsk'

The Russians are sending all their troops and resources to the city of Severodonetsk. This is what the regional governor says on Telegram today. The situation for the remaining people in the city is difficult because "it is impossible to bring food and medicine to the city," he writes. Over the past 24 hours, nine attacks by the Russians have been repelled in the Lugansk region, the governor continues. Several artillery systems and armored vehicles of the Russians are said to have been destroyed. A cruise missile and an unmanned reconnaissance aircraft were also downed. The fighting in Lugansk continues in full force, the governor states. In the mining town of Horskoy, he says, a mother and child were killed after Russian shelling. In other parts of the region, people were injured and buildings damaged.

Dargo: Taking Severodonetsk is not only hard for the Russians but also not it, and it will make them vulnerable they need to take Lugansk that lies across a river (we all saw how good Russians cross rivers) under fire of artillery on higher ground they have gone need to fight up hill that is hard and will cost them allot. If the Russians don’t try and move forward again soon, that might be it. Culmination. Actually, failure is a better word. There is talk about some important Russian victories in the Donbas might have to be reconsider.