Here we go again-Ukraine once again - Page 221

mapuc · 04-20-22, 10:18 AM

Here is what I think will happen within the next 1½-2 years ahead.

Russia will, after having lost many men and material take Donbass and Luhansk area. This will be accomplished in the autumn -22

They will not have the pleasure to keep these for long.

As we speak Ukrainian is not only trained in using former soviet weapons but also modern weapon from NATO(Like the 155 mm Howitzer) they are also trained in modern warfare.

These steps will be used in about 1½-2 years from now, where Ukrainian will kick Russia out of Ukraine, including Crimea.

Could be wrong though

Markus

Jimbuna · 04-20-22, 10:59 AM

Not sure how accurate this is atm.

NATO fighter jets arrived in Ukraine!

mapuc · 04-20-22, 11:07 AM

^ I know from the news here and abroad that Ukraine would get some old MIG29 from Poland and some more eastern countries.

Markus

Jimbuna · 04-20-22, 11:23 AM

Jimbuna · 04-20-22, 11:25 AM

Catfish · 04-20-22, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Not sure how accurate this is atm.
NATO fighter jets arrived in Ukraine! [...]

Around 20 SU29 from former soviet block states, and spare parts from the US. They can be flown, repaired and maintained by Ukrainians w/o foreign help.

Not heard about "western" fighters yet

mapuc · 04-20-22, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

Around 20 SU29 from former soviet block states, and spare parts from the US. They can be flown, repaired and maintained by Ukrainians w/o foreign help.

Not heard about "western" fighters yet

Even though they are old these planes from Poland you could say they came from a NATO country=NATO fighter jets.

Markus

Catfish · 04-20-22, 01:59 PM

From the comments: "They're not "NATO fighters". They are former NATO fighters, and now exported aircraft owned by Ukraine."

Posted Numbers differ though. Seems the "spare parts" from Germany are just disassembled planes that can be quickly assembled again. Still Russia has way more fighters, and pilots

mapuc · 04-20-22, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

From the comments: "They're not "NATO fighters". They are former NATO fighters, and now exported aircraft owned by Ukraine."

Posted Numbers differ though. Seems the "spare parts" from Germany are just disassembled planes that can be quickly assembled again. Still Russia has way more fighters, and pilots

You're right it was just me word picking.

So USA will also send some heavy artillery to Ukraine. It's the M777.

Quote:

The United States has already provided more than 50 million rounds of ammunition to Ukrainian forces. But as troops go through tens of thousands of rounds a day, and fiercer fighting is expected in the coming weeks, there is an urgent need for additional aid.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/19/us-t...r-ukraine.html

Tell me when NATO has crossed the line

Markus

Buddahaid · 04-20-22, 02:31 PM

Right after Putin crosses the line.

Moonlight · 04-20-22, 02:48 PM

Patrick Lancaster is a Russian propaganda mouthpiece, I would take anything he says and films with a pinch of salt, in fact if you take any video or news report that has not been verified as a fact then you are dafter than I thought you all were.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Skybird · 04-20-22, 03:20 PM

FOCUS, Bild Zeitung:

According to "Bild" information, the German government has made it impossible for Ukraine to buy heavy weapons from German arms manufacturers by greatly reducing the offer in advance. The German Defense Ministry, acting on orders from the Chancellor's Office, has removed all heavy weapons from a so-called "industrial list" of German arms manufacturers, the Bild newspaper reported Wednesday from documents it has at its disposal.

The list, shortened from the original 48 to 24 pages and titled "Support Opportunities Industry - Consolidated," had been handed over to the Ukrainian government at the end of March. According to the newspaper, the original list in mid-March had still included heavy weapon systems such as the "Leopard-2" main battle tank, the "Marder" and "Puma" infantry fighting vehicles, and the "Boxer" and "Fuchs" armored personnel carriers. According to the report, the "Panzerhaubitze 2000" howitzer was also initially on the list.
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It gets further reported that Germany plans to completely boycot Russian oil by the end of the year.

Finally it got reported earlier that Germany vetoed/prevented an EU decision to go wioth a gas embrago "lite", an idea that had been borught in by Italy, anothger major customer of Russian gas.

Germany is isolated.

Last, it got reported and speculated that Scholz got a call by Putin who directly threatened him with a nuclear war if German sells heavy arms to the Ukraine or stops preventing the eU frok boycotting gas immedoiaqtrely. Howeverk that report is , as I said, less a repott and more a "reasonably founded speculation". Somehow Scholz' behaviour must be explained.

If thsat is corretc that Putin theatrene Scholz with nulcera war "if", then there would have been only on possible answer: "Hey Vladdy, NATO has nukes too. If we burn, then you basterds will burn with us."

Catfish · 04-20-22, 03:21 PM

^ link to the original focus article?

Jeff-Groves · 04-20-22, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

"If we burn, then you basterds will burn with us."

Stoled that right out of Hunger Games didn't you?

Platapus · 04-20-22, 03:51 PM

Latest intercepted message from Germany to Poland

"So, just to make sure, you *want* us to move our army across Poland and attack Russia?"

"Last time we did that, you didn't like it. Just want to make sure. "

04-20-22, 10:18 AM	#3301
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,579 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Here is what I think will happen within the next 1½-2 years ahead. Russia will, after having lost many men and material take Donbass and Luhansk area. This will be accomplished in the autumn -22 They will not have the pleasure to keep these for long. As we speak Ukrainian is not only trained in using former soviet weapons but also modern weapon from NATO(Like the 155 mm Howitzer) they are also trained in modern warfare. These steps will be used in about 1½-2 years from now, where Ukrainian will kick Russia out of Ukraine, including Crimea. Could be wrong though Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

04-20-22, 10:59 AM	#3302
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,111 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Not sure how accurate this is atm. NATO fighter jets arrived in Ukraine! __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-20-22, 11:07 AM	#3303
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,579 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	^ I know from the news here and abroad that Ukraine would get some old MIG29 from Poland and some more eastern countries. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

04-20-22, 11:23 AM	#3304
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,111 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-20-22, 11:25 AM	#3305
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,111 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-20-22, 01:59 PM	#3308
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,811 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	From the comments: "They're not "NATO fighters". They are former NATO fighters, and now exported aircraft owned by Ukraine." Posted Numbers differ though. Seems the "spare parts" from Germany are just disassembled planes that can be quickly assembled again. Still Russia has way more fighters, and pilots __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

04-20-22, 02:31 PM	#3310
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,333 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Right after Putin crosses the line. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

04-20-22, 03:20 PM	#3312
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,732 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	FOCUS, Bild Zeitung: According to "Bild" information, the German government has made it impossible for Ukraine to buy heavy weapons from German arms manufacturers by greatly reducing the offer in advance. The German Defense Ministry, acting on orders from the Chancellor's Office, has removed all heavy weapons from a so-called "industrial list" of German arms manufacturers, the Bild newspaper reported Wednesday from documents it has at its disposal. The list, shortened from the original 48 to 24 pages and titled "Support Opportunities Industry - Consolidated," had been handed over to the Ukrainian government at the end of March. According to the newspaper, the original list in mid-March had still included heavy weapon systems such as the "Leopard-2" main battle tank, the "Marder" and "Puma" infantry fighting vehicles, and the "Boxer" and "Fuchs" armored personnel carriers. According to the report, the "Panzerhaubitze 2000" howitzer was also initially on the list. ---------------------- It gets further reported that Germany plans to completely boycot Russian oil by the end of the year. Finally it got reported earlier that Germany vetoed/prevented an EU decision to go wioth a gas embrago "lite", an idea that had been borught in by Italy, anothger major customer of Russian gas. Germany is isolated. Last, it got reported and speculated that Scholz got a call by Putin who directly threatened him with a nuclear war if German sells heavy arms to the Ukraine or stops preventing the eU frok boycotting gas immedoiaqtrely. Howeverk that report is , as I said, less a repott and more a "reasonably founded speculation". Somehow Scholz' behaviour must be explained. If thsat is corretc that Putin theatrene Scholz with nulcera war "if", then there would have been only on possible answer: "Hey Vladdy, NATO has nukes too. If we burn, then you basterds will burn with us." __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-20-22, 03:21 PM	#3313
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,811 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ link to the original focus article? __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

04-20-22, 03:51 PM	#3315
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,404 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Latest intercepted message from Germany to Poland "So, just to make sure, you want us to move our army across Poland and attack Russia?" "Last time we did that, you didn't like it. Just want to make sure. " __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.