Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

While I am no surprised and have expected somehting like special commandos being on the ground (and while it is known that there have been advisers and trainers as well), I quesaiton the wisdom of making it public again to help Russian propaganda and just for the sake of the holy grail - "the story" - and the name of the reporter whom nobody ever heard of, and now have. Is a little bit of judgment really too much to ask when answering the question of whether or not you really should run a story? Or is this just the usual French antisentiment to les Americans again?

Russian propaganda says thank you monsieur.

There are more things I find strange to make public, like the methods of fighting around Kiev for the French... yeah dunno moi and French government are not on speaking terms US, UK will deny this and any captured soldier will be in the international brigade same stuff happened during Cold War not even families know where their son, husband died

[mapuc]

I do not doubt that the are special forces in Ukraine-What I thought was they were there undercover/secretly to monitor how the Ruskies fight a modern war. I never thought they were there "Openly"

Yes having advisors in the country, to train them in using some of the weapon we have sent to them.

Denmark shipped 2700 man held antitank weapon and some advisor to train Ukrainian in using them-But they are not with special forces, like Frømandskorpset(=Navy Seal) eller Jægerkorpset(=Gren Barets)

Markus

[Rockstar]

Russia's special operation in Ukraine and Donbas is going to end soon, Andrey Klimov, a member of the Federation Council said, RIA Novosti reports.

https://english.pravda.ru/news/russi...ine_operation/


After losing a cruiser, 20-30% of their invasion force and 15,000 dead and gained absolutely nothing from it. Who can blame them.

It will be interesting to see how far Ukraine is willing to take this, if they will drive out the invaders from the Donbass and even Crimea as well.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I do not doubt that the are special forces in Ukraine-What I thought was they were there undercover/secretly to monitor how the Ruskies fight a modern war. I never thought they were there "Openly"

Yes having advisors in the country, to train them in using some of the weapon we have sent to them.

Denmark shipped 2700 man held antitank weapon and some advisor to train Ukrainian in using them-But they are not with special forces, like Frømandskorpset(=Navy Seal) eller Jægerkorpset(=Gren Barets)

Markus

For now but already heavy material is sent and with the latest American shipment it's clear for Russia they not fight Ukraine alone but against the whole western world

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Dargo

For now but already heavy material is sent and with the latest American shipment it's clear for Russia they not fight Ukraine alone but against the whole western world

Exactly my thought as well-Will Russia see this step from USA as they are taking active side in the war, by sending heavy offensive weapon to Ukraine ?
So far, as I see it, Russia has interpreter the step the west have taken by sending defensive weapon, as passive help.

Markus

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I do not doubt that the are special forces in Ukraine-What I thought was they were there undercover/secretly to monitor how the Ruskies fight a modern war. I never thought they were there "Openly"

Yes having advisors in the country, to train them in using some of the weapon we have sent to them.

Denmark shipped 2700 man held antitank weapon and some advisor to train Ukrainian in using them-But they are not with special forces, like Frømandskorpset(=Navy Seal) eller Jægerkorpset(=Gren Barets)

Markus

Though I’m sure we have advisors/operators in country assisting Ukraine. Ukraine isn’t the same as it was in 2014. They’ve come a long way, baby. When Russia annexed Crimea they had around 6 thousand combat ready troops which could defend Ukraine. Today they have close to 145,000 and have gone through many economic reforms to boost defense spending and received a lot of training to align themselves closer to a NATO command structure. Which was made possible in part by the 5.6 billion we have sent them since 2014.

I’d wager Ukraine’s 140th Special Operations Forces are probably doing most of the work of embarrassing Putin. Those fellas are a badass professional fighting force not to be messed with. They trained in Lithuania!



Since 2014, the United States has committed more than $5.6 billion in total assistance to Ukraine, including security and non-security assistance. In 2021 alone we committed over $300 million in assistance to support Ukraine’s democratic and economic development, and over $650 million in security assistance. Since the start of 2022, we have committed $54 million in humanitarian assistance and an additional $350 million in security assistance, bringing the total security assistance in the last year to over $1 billion.

The U.S. Departments of State and Defense (DoD) have committed over $3 billion, in training and equipment to help Ukraine preserve its territorial integrity, secure its borders, and improve interoperability with NATO. This includes:

$350 million of additional security assistance announced on February 26 to address the armored, airborne, and other threats Ukraine is currently facing.
$721 million in State Department-funded Foreign Military Financing (FMF) and $1.35 billion under DoD’s Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative.
$20 million in IMET assistance between 2014 and 2021 to support military education.
$610 million worth of arms and equipment transferred from DoD stocks to Ukraine under Presidential Drawdown Authority.
$86 million in Nonproliferation, Anti-terrorism, Demining, and Related Programs assistance to Ukraine, including over $17 million to the State Border Guard Service’s Maritime Border Guard Detachment, and more than $48 million in Conventional Weapons Destruction (CWD) assistance.
Over $168 million in assistance to law enforcement reform and border security.


One thing we can’t do is no-fly zones. You must have total air superiority for that to happen and you can’t have that unless you go deep into Russia to take out SAM sites which would most likely start WWIII. Otherwise we’d just be dodging rockets all day.

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Exactly my thought as well-Will Russia see this step from USA as they are taking active side in the war, by sending heavy offensive weapon to Ukraine ?
So far, as I see it, Russia has interpreter the step the west have taken by sending defensive weapon, as passive help.

Markus

Not able taking Kiev is Russia's turning point of this war like Hitler failed to take Moscow, they will flatten Ukraine but never control it. Ukraine fought a partisan war against the soviets till 1950 (also in Poland). This partisan plan is already in place Russia will never control Ukraine they do not have an army to occupy.

[mapuc]

Some one wrote in a stream that Putin had warned the USA about helping Ukraine.

Of course they will put up a warning against USA step to send heavy weapon, But what can they do about it ? Start a war-Which they will lose-Start a war with Nukes-Which they will lose(Everyone will lose this type of war)

Close the pipeline with gas and oil ? I doubt it-This would mean they will lose money

Markus

[Dargo]

SAS troops have trained local forces in Kyiv for the first time since the war with Russia began, Ukrainian commanders have told The Times.

Officers from two battalions stationed in and around the capital said they had undergone military training from serving British special forces, one last week and the other the week before...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...aine-32vs5bjzb

[August]

It might not have sunk where they think it did.

[mapuc]

We haven't discuss the joker in this poker game.

China..Let see if I can get down my thoughts into writing

There are rumour that China is helping Russia with material. If Russia or China see that NATO/USA has taken an active part in the war they could become active on Russian side of the war and here I can come up with two scenarios.

1. China send both material and soldier to Ukraine
2. To pull USA away from Europe-China invade Taiwan
(Read somewhere once that USA can't fight to main war at the same time)

This would leave Europe alone against Russia.

Of course this is nothing but speculation and I'm not an expert.

Markus

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by mapuc

We haven't discuss the joker in this poker game.

China..Let see if I can get down my thoughts into writing

There are rumour that China is helping Russia with material. If Russia or China see that NATO/USA has taken an active part in the war they could become active on Russian side of the war and here I can come up with two scenarios.

1. China send both material and soldier to Ukraine
2. To pull USA away from Europe-China invade Taiwan
(Read somewhere once that USA can't fight to main war at the same time)

This would leave Europe alone against Russia.

Of course this is nothing but speculation and I'm not an expert.

Markus

China does Wu Wei – Doing Nothing that will solve this problem, china can not afford to lose the greatest markets of the world and is being forced in a position they do not like so do not expect much help towards Russia certainly no personnel. It would be a reason to invade Taiwan if Russia had not lost, but they see that Putin is a paper tiger so that plan is on hold

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Russia's special operation in Ukraine and Donbas is going to end soon, Andrey Klimov, a member of the Federation Council said, RIA Novosti reports.

https://english.pravda.ru/news/russi...ine_operation/


After losing a cruiser, 20-30% of their invasion force and 15,000 dead and gained absolutely nothing from it. Who can blame them.

It will be interesting to see how far Ukraine is willing to take this, if they will drive out the invaders from the Donbass and even Crimea as well.

Head oof CIA meanwhile warns of tactical nukes being used if Putin does not get the military success he needs. For Putin its probably about his survival. He needs something he can sell as a victory.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Head oof CIA meanwhile warns of tactical nukes being used if Putin does not get the military success he needs. For Putin its probably about his survival. He needs something he can sell as a victory.

It would not surprise me if Putin decide to use nukes on the battlefield=Tactical to win a victory he can use on Russia's most important day May 9th.

It doesn't scare me..somehow...what scares me is the response NATO will come up with.

Markus

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

It might not have sunk where they think it did.

To quote Dr. Ian Malcom; " At some point, we're going to see submarines in this War, right? The Navy needs to find a way."