Here we go again-Ukraine once again - Page 189

Skybird · 04-02-22, 11:07 AM

The third world war began many, many years ago, and since then Russia is attacking Europe and the US on many invisible fronts day in, day out. The West slept through its beginning, and dreamed sweet dreams during many Russian offensives and operations, until five weeks ago.
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ISS moves into the focus of the war and sanctions.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-space-station

Jimbuna · 04-02-22, 11:11 AM

It was only a little over a week ago that reports were suggesting they (the Russians) might refuse to return the US astronaut to earth.

Catfish · 04-02-22, 11:55 AM

I stole this from another forum, this video was the answer to russian trolls trying to play the poor Russian victim card, maybe they had Lavrov in mind?

Jimbuna · 04-02-22, 12:09 PM

Skybird · 04-02-22, 01:15 PM

^ I could swear I have red the robo-narrator's text orignally 1:1 from first to last word in some news article a couple of days ago.

mapuc · 04-02-22, 01:37 PM

Quote:

An AFP news agency reporter in Bucha, near Kyiv, counted at least 20 bodies. At least one man had his hands tied.

Ukrainian forces regained control of the town this week and photos show widespread devastation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60967463

Markus

Catfish · 04-02-22, 01:53 PM

Directly from Russia:
"It is the beginning of the end. No more Fairey can be bought"

"Exactly after Vladimir had preached in that stadium from the gospel according to Matthew, »that there was no love greater than his for the people of Ukraine, and that he was ready to kill them all if they did not answer his feelings«, all laundry detergents vanished from the shelves, also flour and sugar. Putin also took insuline, ibuprofene and baby care out of drugstores and into his bunkers.
The propaganda was fast in calming down the population, that basic supplies were safe.

People here in the region live quite modest, they were not afraid of sanctions. Nobody believes Putin one word anyway, but they were astonished.
During his stunt in the stadium he looked different, somehow blown up. Some said this was because he was wearing two bulletproof vests on top of each other, others said he had not left his bunker but had appeared as a distorted hologram.
His speech was suddenly cut off and replaced with war pop music. Some thought he had been shot. The next day a lot of people mourned at Putin's empty bier.

Russian leadership has always been perceived as a force of nature by the russian people – unpleasant but inevitable.
The neigbours, baptists in the fifth generation, told that Putin was recently thinking of himself as the rider of the apocalypse, a herald of doomsday.
The epiphany reveals there are four riders: The first spreads the plague, the second sows the seeds of war, the third was responsible for supply bottlenecks, and the fourth brought death. Putin decided to ride all four horses, alone.

I asked whether there was a chance that he came a cropper. Yes, they said. If he continues in that way the people will push him off the horse on his nose in a way even his stolen baby care will not help him."

(translated from russian)

Gorpet · 04-03-22, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

If the North Vietnamese had YouTube. Sure could have saved a lot of American lives.

Gorpet · 04-03-22, 01:32 AM

It would seem that,Tanks in the future will only be used by Governments that have the drones.And the tanks will be used against their own populations. So i hope some freedom fighters out there take and hide a ton of those drones for the fight their grandchildren will have.

Gorpet · 04-03-22, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Apparently he's somebody that Catfish thinks has unapproved opinions.

LoL, How will we ever get a new World Order without Catfish's

Gorpet · 04-03-22, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by les green01

i watch a program the other day retire col saying how Ukraine has already lost and all that I guess no one has told Ukraine they lost bad thing about news they just want to report what they want you to know what supports their agenda

Les, Of course Ukraine is winning the West aka" United States" and the European's Must win after all they have to show their Chinese masters 2 things 1 how quickly they can turn and put the screws to Putin.Look at a world map what could be better for them. 2 Ukraine holds secrets of the great Democracy's of the World Politicians and they want it Destroyed why do you think NATO and its Allies are bringing the World to the point we have not seen since 1962 . It is time we sweep away Career Politicians and their families absorb 90% of their wealth and put into the social programs they created during the years they were in office and force them to rejoin the human race. Dissolve Nato and let Europe tend to its own borders .The United States has enough problems within it's own country to deal with. Hell their pumping so much water out of our local lakes and rivers i can't even catch a Catfish

Skybird · 04-03-22, 07:55 AM

Streets of freed suburbs and small towns around Kyiv are scatattered with bodies of civilians that the hastily retreating Russians apparently have massacred in huge numbers. Many bodies have their hands cuffed. Internationally, calls are growing louder for Russia to be indicted for the most serious war crimes at the International Criminal Court. Germany has announced to support intensifying sanctions for this very reason.

Other images show how intense the fighting must have been and how relentlessly the Ukrainian defenders raged among the attacking Russian armored vehicle columns. There are records of streets lined with wreck after wreck in two rows. The Russian defeat at Kyiv is total, unconditional and utmost humiliating.

"Welcome to hell" (Ukrainian CIC Gen. Zaluzhnyi).

The Ukrainians paid for that victory with almost complete destruction of civilian areas, housing, and infrastructure - and obviously the retreating Russians commiting atrocities in bloodthirsty revenge. Talk is of kidnappings, torture, rape, and obviously: massacres.

It was also written that the Russian concept of airborne/air assault units, which have been emphasized by doctrine since Sovjet times, have been a total fail. All Russian raids with them - and there have been between half and a full dozen when I read about it a week ago - have failed, and their PCs and IFVs, designed to be light enough for air transport, have shown to offer totally inapt protection only even against medium and some small callibre fire - thats why these air assault mobile units suffered extremely high losses, apparently.

I have strong doubt that the Russian units that were pulled out of the Kyiv region, can just be shuttled to the East and then enter combat again in the Donbass and Luhansk region. Many of these units have seized to exist as coherent combat formations, and are broken apart. Even more limiting may be not just the number of KIAs, but the many wounded that must be taken care of and must be transported. Morale is down, at the lowest. Apparently there are many desertions and mutinies and refusals to obey orders.

Never would I have believed in advance that the Russians would perform this chaotic and bad. Never. All the money they invested into reforms and modernization, obviously have been completely wasted, and it all vanished in corrupted military structures.

Now the Russian air defence has been humiliated by two daring gunship crews that penetrated into Russian airspace by flying extremely low and blew up an oil depot. The fire is reported to cause tremendous damage and many hours later still was not under control. It seems the ukrainians start to go after logistics networks and supply chains even on Russian soil. And why not bringing the war to the territory of the attacker who is guilty of having launched it? In a fair and perfect world, it would be Russian places being turned into smoking rubble, not Ukrainian towns and cities.

mapuc · 04-03-22, 08:10 AM

Skybird wrote:
"Never would I have believed in advance that the Russians would perform this chaotic and bad. Never. All the money they invested into reforms and modernization, obviously have been completely wasted, and it all vanished in corrupted military structures"

Doesn't it come down to the mentality of the ordinary soldier and their officers ? Didn't they act the same way during WWII ?

"Now the Russian air defence has been humiliated by two daring gunship crews that penetrated into Russian airspace by flying extremely low and blew up an oil depot."

The Ukrainian denies they have done it and thinking about on the Russian skills in creating false flag operation I tend to believe the Ukrainian.

Markus

Jimbuna · 04-03-22, 08:38 AM

Jimbuna · 04-03-22, 08:41 AM

04-02-22, 11:07 AM	#2821
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,825 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The third world war began many, many years ago, and since then Russia is attacking Europe and the US on many invisible fronts day in, day out. The West slept through its beginning, and dreamed sweet dreams during many Russian offensives and operations, until five weeks ago. -------------------- ISS moves into the focus of the war and sanctions. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-space-station __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-02-22, 11:11 AM	#2822
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,511 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	It was only a little over a week ago that reports were suggesting they (the Russians) might refuse to return the US astronaut to earth. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-02-22, 11:55 AM	#2823
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,822 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	I stole this from another forum, this video was the answer to russian trolls trying to play the poor Russian victim card, maybe they had Lavrov in mind? __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

04-02-22, 12:09 PM	#2824
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,511 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-02-22, 01:15 PM	#2825
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,825 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	^ I could swear I have red the robo-narrator's text orignally 1:1 from first to last word in some news article a couple of days ago. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-02-22, 01:53 PM	#2827
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,822 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Directly from Russia: "It is the beginning of the end. No more Fairey can be bought" "Exactly after Vladimir had preached in that stadium from the gospel according to Matthew, »that there was no love greater than his for the people of Ukraine, and that he was ready to kill them all if they did not answer his feelings«, all laundry detergents vanished from the shelves, also flour and sugar. Putin also took insuline, ibuprofene and baby care out of drugstores and into his bunkers. The propaganda was fast in calming down the population, that basic supplies were safe. People here in the region live quite modest, they were not afraid of sanctions. Nobody believes Putin one word anyway, but they were astonished. During his stunt in the stadium he looked different, somehow blown up. Some said this was because he was wearing two bulletproof vests on top of each other, others said he had not left his bunker but had appeared as a distorted hologram. His speech was suddenly cut off and replaced with war pop music. Some thought he had been shot. The next day a lot of people mourned at Putin's empty bier. Russian leadership has always been perceived as a force of nature by the russian people – unpleasant but inevitable. The neigbours, baptists in the fifth generation, told that Putin was recently thinking of himself as the rider of the apocalypse, a herald of doomsday. The epiphany reveals there are four riders: The first spreads the plague, the second sows the seeds of war, the third was responsible for supply bottlenecks, and the fourth brought death. Putin decided to ride all four horses, alone. I asked whether there was a chance that he came a cropper. Yes, they said. If he continues in that way the people will push him off the horse on his nose in a way even his stolen baby care will not help him." (translated from russian) __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

04-03-22, 01:32 AM	#2829
Gorpet Still Searching Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: A country in Evolution Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	It would seem that,Tanks in the future will only be used by Governments that have the drones.And the tanks will be used against their own populations. So i hope some freedom fighters out there take and hide a ton of those drones for the fight their grandchildren will have.

04-03-22, 07:55 AM	#2832
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,825 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Streets of freed suburbs and small towns around Kyiv are scatattered with bodies of civilians that the hastily retreating Russians apparently have massacred in huge numbers. Many bodies have their hands cuffed. Internationally, calls are growing louder for Russia to be indicted for the most serious war crimes at the International Criminal Court. Germany has announced to support intensifying sanctions for this very reason. Other images show how intense the fighting must have been and how relentlessly the Ukrainian defenders raged among the attacking Russian armored vehicle columns. There are records of streets lined with wreck after wreck in two rows. The Russian defeat at Kyiv is total, unconditional and utmost humiliating. "Welcome to hell" (Ukrainian CIC Gen. Zaluzhnyi). The Ukrainians paid for that victory with almost complete destruction of civilian areas, housing, and infrastructure - and obviously the retreating Russians commiting atrocities in bloodthirsty revenge. Talk is of kidnappings, torture, rape, and obviously: massacres. It was also written that the Russian concept of airborne/air assault units, which have been emphasized by doctrine since Sovjet times, have been a total fail. All Russian raids with them - and there have been between half and a full dozen when I read about it a week ago - have failed, and their PCs and IFVs, designed to be light enough for air transport, have shown to offer totally inapt protection only even against medium and some small callibre fire - thats why these air assault mobile units suffered extremely high losses, apparently. I have strong doubt that the Russian units that were pulled out of the Kyiv region, can just be shuttled to the East and then enter combat again in the Donbass and Luhansk region. Many of these units have seized to exist as coherent combat formations, and are broken apart. Even more limiting may be not just the number of KIAs, but the many wounded that must be taken care of and must be transported. Morale is down, at the lowest. Apparently there are many desertions and mutinies and refusals to obey orders. Never would I have believed in advance that the Russians would perform this chaotic and bad. Never. All the money they invested into reforms and modernization, obviously have been completely wasted, and it all vanished in corrupted military structures. Now the Russian air defence has been humiliated by two daring gunship crews that penetrated into Russian airspace by flying extremely low and blew up an oil depot. The fire is reported to cause tremendous damage and many hours later still was not under control. It seems the ukrainians start to go after logistics networks and supply chains even on Russian soil. And why not bringing the war to the territory of the attacker who is guilty of having launched it? In a fair and perfect world, it would be Russian places being turned into smoking rubble, not Ukrainian towns and cities. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-03-22, 08:10 AM	#2833
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,659 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Skybird wrote: "Never would I have believed in advance that the Russians would perform this chaotic and bad. Never. All the money they invested into reforms and modernization, obviously have been completely wasted, and it all vanished in corrupted military structures" Doesn't it come down to the mentality of the ordinary soldier and their officers ? Didn't they act the same way during WWII ? "Now the Russian air defence has been humiliated by two daring gunship crews that penetrated into Russian airspace by flying extremely low and blew up an oil depot." The Ukrainian denies they have done it and thinking about on the Russian skills in creating false flag operation I tend to believe the Ukrainian. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

04-03-22, 08:38 AM	#2834
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,511 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-03-22, 08:41 AM	#2835
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,511 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!