President Zelensky

[Torpex77]

I have one fiancé and 3 Friends in Ukraine. Ive personally spent several months in Ukraine over the last 8 years, at one point researching cashing out of the US and moving to Ukraine.

After much research moving to Ukraine was put in the circular file, aka trashcan. Why?

There's alot of reasons, One is that I did not want to become part of a Two class society, where 90-95% of the population has access to only 5% of the nations Capital.

Ukraine Currency has been on death spiral since 2014, Right after Pro Russian President was ousted on Lies. Also Noteworthy is that Before 2014 Russia Supplied Gas for Heat and cooking to UKRAINE FREE. How Nice was that? After 2014 Ukraine said we want Independence..yet NOTHING changed for average People, except everything cost more. No Extra freedoms....because Russia was NOT Hurting Most Citizens.

Another reason was how the Government handled the Eastern regions that wanted to "leave Ukraine" that have led to @13,000 civilian deaths. As a Reminder The US was responsible for 42,000 civilian deaths in Afghanistan. Neither is Good, and BOTH have been given a free pass by the UN. Why?

One of My Friends, who most likely is dead (Not hear from her for 1.5 years) , she lived in the Easter region Zelensky and past president have been shelling and shooting at. She told me of Horrors from Ukraine soldiers shooting people because they "think" they might be Russians.

The Chernobyl accident displaced hundreds of thousands of People and if you had to abandon your home you were promised 300 dollars for life. Past president and Zelensky have reduced this to 75 dollars.

Also Note that since Every western investment in Ukraine often does not use local labor, and most revenues leave Ukraine, they dont benefit Ukraine Economy. Poor remain Poor

Average Daily salary in Ukraine for 90-95% of population is only 8-17 dollars. Mind you the Upper class {@5%} are making 50-150000 dollars every year. How? Most products enter Ukraine with western prices, as Ukraine mostly makes food. This price has allowed the Upper crust to make Very Good Income since they sell products at Western Prices with Western Profits.

Most Ukrainians who visit USA Live in Kiev, or are part of the Upper Class. They have a very different position and view since they have access to money and Visa system.

My Friend Nikitta and His Wife Anna Moved to Crimea before so called "Russian Invasion" Their Lives have improved greatly as the Invasion was 5% Military and 95% Business Investments and Moscow rebuilding neglected Infrastructure.

Then we have the VISA problem. For an average Citizen its impossible to get simple travel visa to USA. To get this visa you must prove to Ukraine that you will RETURN. This can be a Big amount of money in Ukraine Bank (>4000 USD) or if you own property! Mostly Impossible for average Citizen. So Most can Never Get Visa to Enter USA

Ukraine requires NO Visa for US Citizen to Enter Ukraine, BUT USA requires a VISA for Ukraine Citizen to Enter US. (Not friendly say many Ukraine Citizens)

Since the Rich class need to keep salary for workers low, they work with Govt to Keep People in Ukraine and restrict travel to USA, and of course USA do what Ukraine asks. This is Facism

So Im NOT in support of Russian Tactics or Military action. But there's alot more to this event than I and We Know.

Frank

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Torpex77

I have one fiancé and 3 Friends in Ukraine. Ive personally spent several months in Ukraine over the last 8 years, at one point researching cashing out of the US and moving to Ukraine.

After much research moving to Ukraine was put in the circular file, aka trashcan. Why?

There's alot of reasons, One is that I did not want to become part of a Two class society, where 90-95% of the population has access to only 5% of the nations Capital.

Ukraine Currency has been on death spiral since 2014, Right after Pro Russian President was ousted on Lies. Also Noteworthy is that Before 2014 Russia Supplied Gas for Heat and cooking to UKRAINE FREE. How Nice was that? After 2014 Ukraine said we want Independence..yet NOTHING changed for average People, except everything cost more. No Extra freedoms....because Russia was NOT Hurting Most Citizens.

Another reason was how the Government handled the Eastern regions that wanted to "leave Ukraine" that have led to @13,000 civilian deaths. As a Reminder The US was responsible for 42,000 civilian deaths in Afghanistan. Neither is Good, and BOTH have been given a free pass by the UN. Why?

One of My Friends, who most likely is dead (Not hear from her for 1.5 years) , she lived in the Easter region Zelensky and past president have been shelling and shooting at. She told me of Horrors from Ukraine soldiers shooting people because they "think" they might be Russians.

The Chernobyl accident displaced hundreds of thousands of People and if you had to abandon your home you were promised 300 dollars for life. Past president and Zelensky have reduced this to 75 dollars.

Also Note that since Every western investment in Ukraine often does not use local labor, and most revenues leave Ukraine, they dont benefit Ukraine Economy. Poor remain Poor

Average Daily salary in Ukraine for 90-95% of population is only 8-17 dollars. Mind you the Upper class {@5%} are making 50-150000 dollars every year. How? Most products enter Ukraine with western prices, as Ukraine mostly makes food. This price has allowed the Upper crust to make Very Good Income since they sell products at Western Prices with Western Profits.

Most Ukrainians who visit USA Live in Kiev, or are part of the Upper Class. They have a very different position and view since they have access to money and Visa system.

My Friend Nikitta and His Wife Anna Moved to Crimea before so called "Russian Invasion" Their Lives have improved greatly as the Invasion was 5% Military and 95% Business Investments and Moscow rebuilding neglected Infrastructure.

Then we have the VISA problem. For an average Citizen its impossible to get simple travel visa to USA. To get this visa you must prove to Ukraine that you will RETURN. This can be a Big amount of money in Ukraine Bank (>4000 USD) or if you own property! Mostly Impossible for average Citizen. So Most can Never Get Visa to Enter USA

Ukraine requires NO Visa for US Citizen to Enter Ukraine, BUT USA requires a VISA for Ukraine Citizen to Enter US. (Not friendly say many Ukraine Citizens)

Since the Rich class need to keep salary for workers low, they work with Govt to Keep People in Ukraine and restrict travel to USA, and of course USA do what Ukraine asks. This is Facism

So Im NOT in support of Russian Tactics or Military action. But there's alot more to this event than I and We Know.

Frank

America has always embraced imperialism, even with war. We accept there will always be other imperialistic powers that would expand over areas if we didn't, and regardless of the pain we impose on them, in the long run western ideals are the better option for them.

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Threadfin

Trump will soon replace Kevin Bacon as the center of the universe, and for centuries everything bad that happens will be connected back to him.

And Nancy Pelosi believes she will Ascend to Valhalla as a Queen

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Torpex77

But there's alot more to this event than I and We Know.

Frank

Sage advice.

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Torpex77

I have one fiancé and 3 Friends in Ukraine. Ive personally spent several months in Ukraine over the last 8 years, at one point researching cashing out of the US and moving to Ukraine.

After much research moving to Ukraine was put in the circular file, aka trashcan. Why?

There's alot of reasons, One is that I did not want to become part of a Two class society, where 90-95% of the population has access to only 5% of the nations Capital.

Ukraine Currency has been on death spiral since 2014, Right after Pro Russian President was ousted on Lies. Also Noteworthy is that Before 2014 Russia Supplied Gas for Heat and cooking to UKRAINE FREE. How Nice was that? After 2014 Ukraine said we want Independence..yet NOTHING changed for average People, except everything cost more. No Extra freedoms....because Russia was NOT Hurting Most Citizens.

Another reason was how the Government handled the Eastern regions that wanted to "leave Ukraine" that have led to @13,000 civilian deaths. As a Reminder The US was responsible for 42,000 civilian deaths in Afghanistan. Neither is Good, and BOTH have been given a free pass by the UN. Why?

One of My Friends, who most likely is dead (Not hear from her for 1.5 years) , she lived in the Easter region Zelensky and past president have been shelling and shooting at. She told me of Horrors from Ukraine soldiers shooting people because they "think" they might be Russians.

The Chernobyl accident displaced hundreds of thousands of People and if you had to abandon your home you were promised 300 dollars for life. Past president and Zelensky have reduced this to 75 dollars.

Also Note that since Every western investment in Ukraine often does not use local labor, and most revenues leave Ukraine, they dont benefit Ukraine Economy. Poor remain Poor

Average Daily salary in Ukraine for 90-95% of population is only 8-17 dollars. Mind you the Upper class {@5%} are making 50-150000 dollars every year. How? Most products enter Ukraine with western prices, as Ukraine mostly makes food. This price has allowed the Upper crust to make Very Good Income since they sell products at Western Prices with Western Profits.

Most Ukrainians who visit USA Live in Kiev, or are part of the Upper Class. They have a very different position and view since they have access to money and Visa system.

My Friend Nikitta and His Wife Anna Moved to Crimea before so called "Russian Invasion" Their Lives have improved greatly as the Invasion was 5% Military and 95% Business Investments and Moscow rebuilding neglected Infrastructure.

Then we have the VISA problem. For an average Citizen its impossible to get simple travel visa to USA. To get this visa you must prove to Ukraine that you will RETURN. This can be a Big amount of money in Ukraine Bank (>4000 USD) or if you own property! Mostly Impossible for average Citizen. So Most can Never Get Visa to Enter USA

Ukraine requires NO Visa for US Citizen to Enter Ukraine, BUT USA requires a VISA for Ukraine Citizen to Enter US. (Not friendly say many Ukraine Citizens)

Since the Rich class need to keep salary for workers low, they work with Govt to Keep People in Ukraine and restrict travel to USA, and of course USA do what Ukraine asks. This is Facism

So Im NOT in support of Russian Tactics or Military action. But there's alot more to this event than I and We Know.

Frank

Look, Torpex 77 didn't i see you trying to get on a train? Here's solution, Joey and the American Democrats.are the saviours of the entire world for military and destruction.don'tr look to India.They haven't made their mind up yet. Look if you want to get into the USA ,just go through Mexico it's not a problem and when you get here.If you get here to the land of milk and honey You will never have to work another day in your life.The Americans have what they call social security the politicians they take from their citizens, the money that have worked for all the years of their lives and they will take take that money and give it to you when you get here.Yes come to the America you have nothing to lose.And bring your kids, America gives every women that's not married,1,000.00 dollars a piece for each kid you bring and the greatest gift our government will give you and your child is citizenship you and your child will get all the food stamps,free medical.Till the day you die.

[Torpex77]

Originally Posted by Gorpet

Look, Torpex 77 didn't i see you trying to get on a train? Here's solution, Joey and the American Democrats.are the saviours of the entire world for military and destruction.don'tr look to India.They haven't made their mind up yet. Look if you want to get into the USA ,just go through Mexico it's not a problem and when you get here.If you get here to the land of milk and honey You will never have to work another day in your life.The Americans have what they call social security the politicians they take from their citizens, the money that have worked for all the years of their lives and they will take take that money and give it to you when you get here.Yes come to the America you have nothing to lose.And bring your kids, America gives every women that's not married,1,000.00 dollars a piece for each kid you bring and the greatest gift our government will give you and your child is citizenship you and your child will get all the food stamps,free medical.Till the day you die.

But Why?

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Torpex77

But Why?

American Politicians need immigrants, The men and women will be used for the South American front they have planed. It's better to form an army that already knows the language of the people of the country's your going to create hostilities with and invade in the future.You really didn't think the Democrats are letting these people into this country to take care of from border crossing to grave do ya.

South America's turn is coming.

[Skybird]

There are reasons why the EU still refuses and has refused since many years to let Ukraine into the club. Sympathy and pity now due to the war has nothing to do with the shady ways of the state and the dominance of the oligarchs.
We should give them all war-related support we can risk.

But I am still against EU membership and NATO membership. But cooperation and support outside these organisations. Military aid generously, economic aid carefully controlled and based on conditions to keep corruption and organised crime out.

[Gorpet]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Zelensky was pressed by Trump to publicly say that Biden's son Hunter Biden had some shady business in Ukraine, to denigrate Biden and so help Trump's election. Further above in this thread Gorpet again citing Trump's accusations that Biden's son had shady "deals" with ukrainian economy or such, all debunked, still echoed (like Hillary, eMails, wrecked election, only democrats doing shady stuff, deal with potentates, raped children, pizzagate, and so on)
At least i guess this is what he drones about, not sure.

When Zelenky did not follow Trump's "suggestions" in this infamous telephone call, as an answer he did not get as much economoc and military support as he had hoped.

And what was that you said about me ?. Somebody has to eat a Crow and you can start at it's beak feet and work your way up.