Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Nuclear war fears as Putin's 'doomsday plane' scrambled above Moscow

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...r-force-moscow

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-threats.html

Air Force One's little-known sister aircraft the 'Doomsday Plane' - designed to protect high-ranking government officials from a nuclear attack - was sent on a four-hour training flight after Vladimir Putin placed Russia's nuclear forces on high alert.
Military flight tracking sites showed the modified Boeing 747 had departed from the US Air Force base in Lincoln, Nebraska, on Monday evening.
The E-4B carried out a training flight with other specialist military aircraft, reports the i newspaper.
The planes are outfitted as complete command centers for the president and his top officials including the Secretary of Defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the case of nuclear war or national emergency.
These aircraft have unique capabilities that cannot be duplicated by any other aircraft that the Air Force uses.

That's It! the big boys R playin rough;I'm outta here! 'till WWIII is over and the Dystopian age begins! Moderator pleeze this thread so we don't ALL end up on Putin's death list!

[Skybird]

And with unerring instinct, Germany shames itself yet again. Focus Magazine writes:

Some of the German weapons intended for delivery to Ukraine have considerable defects, as "Der Spiegel" now reports. According to the report, some of the 2700 GDR anti-aircraft missiles of the "Strela" type are obsolete and no longer usable. A maximum of 2000 of the missiles are still usable, the report continues.

The Bundeswehr has not been using the GDR system in current operations since 2014, as the first "Strela" missiles had already been disabled "for safety reasons," "Der Spiegel" reported, citing a confidential memo. The wooden boxes containing the missiles, had since become so moldy that soldiers are now only allowed to enter the storage facilities wearing protective clothing.

Reason for the storage: One could not agree on appropriate contracts with special enterprises. Blasting on Bundeswehr premises would also have taken a long time and caused severe environmental pollution.

The Ministry of Defense has not yet commented on the issue. A spokesman for Defense Minister Lambrecht told "Der Spiegel" that there has been no decision yet by the Federal Security Council on the delivery to Ukraine. In addition, the Bundeswehr would re-examine the weapons before delivering them to Ukraine. "Everything that the Bundeswehr hands over is checked," the spokesman said.

In addition, the Bundeswehr is said to no longer have the necessary handpieces to fire the obsolete missiles and is hoping that Ukraine has them in stock.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)


Ulkrainian soldier exposes himself to shot at a Russian gunship or SU-25. He pulls the trigger. Nothing happens, the missiles stays in the launcher. A Russian sniper spotted the Strela shoote rnevertheless, and kills him.



Great going, Germany. You never fail to justify my mockery.

[Commander Wallace]

The Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is reportedly asking for the equipment and tools to fight the Russians, specifically, 3 squadrons of the A-10 Thunderbolt. A squadron is typically anywhere between 12 to 24 aircraft.


Quote:
This aircraft and its gun system were designed to counter an armored assault in Europe. They proved effective in Desert Storm’s target-rich environment, quite similar to the current advancing Russian force. They also became the infantry’s friend in close-air support missions.
The United States Air Force has deployment packages ready to go. The whole transfer to the Ukrainian Air Force could be completed in days after congressional authorization.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/transfer-...143353128.html


The Ukrainians have proved their bravery. Under lend-lease, similar to the U.S and U.K agreements of WW2, this aircraft would be a great help to the Ukraine. If this deal is done, I hope the appropriate armament is included in the packages.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-threats.html That's It! the big boys R playin rough;I'm outta here! 'till WWIII is over and the Dystopian age begins! Moderator pleeze this thread so we don't ALL end up on Putin's death list!

I could use another strong back on the farm. Best info I have I'm at least 60 miles as the crow flies from any city to get bombed and I'm between 2 mountain ranges. I am talking to the old lady about cleaning her stuff out of the tornado bunker that will now double as a nuclear bunker. Ole Mammy our mountain spiritualist and doctor says she got potion that protect you from radiation poison and also good on steak.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

The Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is reportedly asking for the equipment and tools to fight the Russians, specifically, 3 squadrons of the A-10 Thunderbolt. A squadron is typically anywhere between 12 to 24 aircraft.


Quote:
This aircraft and its gun system were designed to counter an armored assault in Europe. They proved effective in Desert Storm’s target-rich environment, quite similar to the current advancing Russian force. They also became the infantry’s friend in close-air support missions.
The United States Air Force has deployment packages ready to go. The whole transfer to the Ukrainian Air Force could be completed in days after congressional authorization.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/transfer-...143353128.html


The Ukrainians have proved the bravery. Under lend-lease, similar to the U.S and U.K agreements of WW2, this aircraft would be great help to the Ukraine. If this deal is done, I hope the appropriate armament is included in the packages.

That makes the US a war party, in Russia's eyes.


If you want a full war between NATO and Russia, and in the consequence a nuclear war, lend those A-10 to Ukraine and say goodbye to Ney York, Washington, Boston, Chicago, L.A., Frisco, Detroit, Houston... Not to mention the metropoles in Europe. Becasue that is what in the long run will happen.

Biden will not do it, so much is certain. And say thankyou to him for not doing it.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

The Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is reportedly asking for the equipment and tools to fight the Russians, specifically, 3 squadrons of the A-10 Thunderbolt. A squadron is typically anywhere between 12 to 24 aircraft.


Quote:
This aircraft and its gun system were designed to counter an armored assault in Europe. They proved effective in Desert Storm’s target-rich environment, quite similar to the current advancing Russian force. They also became the infantry’s friend in close-air support missions.
The United States Air Force has deployment packages ready to go. The whole transfer to the Ukrainian Air Force could be completed in days after congressional authorization.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/transfer-...143353128.html


The Ukrainians have proved their bravery. Under lend-lease, similar to the U.S and U.K agreements of WW2, this aircraft would be a great help to the Ukraine. If this deal is done, I hope the appropriate armament is included in the packages.

How long will it take to train Ukrainian pilot to fly these A-10 ?
It's not the Russian similar SU25.

Markus

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That makes the US a war party, in Russia's eyes.


If you want a full war between NATO and Russia, and in the consequence a nuclear war, lend those A-10 to Ukraine and say goodbye to Ney York, Washington, Boston, Chicago, L.A., Frisco, Detroit, Houston... Not to mention the metropoles in Europe. Becasue that is what in the long run will happen.

Biden will not do it, so much is certain. And say thankyou to him for not doing it.

Aren't we already a part of the war ? We send weapon (system) to the Ukrainian to fight the Russians.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

How long will it take to train Ukrainian pilot to fly these A-10 ?
It's not the Russian similar SU25.

Markus

It will not happen.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

It will not happen.

You are correct will NOT happen-Only weapon we send is defensive weapon(system)

Markus

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by mapuc

How long will it take to train Ukrainian pilot to fly these A-10 ?
It's not the Russian similar SU25.

Markus

The flight control systems of the A-10 are pretty simple and the A-10 is relatively simple to fly in relation to other supersonic fighter aircraft. The A-10 is a subsonic aircraft and can be utilized as a tactical bomber and close in air support weapon system. Since the Ukrainians had squadrons of the MiG-29 Fulcrum Fighters, flying the A-10 shouldn't be hard as it is a forgiving aircraft. The difficulty may be in understanding and perfecting the low level tactics of the A-10 and the utilization of it's unique weaponry since time is of the essence and not on the side of the Ukrainians . The SU-25 " frogfoot " you mentioned is similar in it's mission profile but they are not the same aircraft.

Originally Posted by Skybird

That makes the US a war party, in Russia's eyes.

If you want a full war between NATO and Russia, and in the consequence a nuclear war, lend those A-10 to Ukraine and say goodbye to Ney York, Washington, Boston, Chicago, L.A., Frisco, Detroit, Houston... Not to mention the metropoles in Europe. Becasue that is what in the long run will happen.

Biden will not do it, so much is certain. And say thankyou to him for not doing it.

I think at this point, we hardly care. If you understand history, in the Vietnam war, North Vietnamese aircraft were being piloted by Soviet pilots and they were fighting American servicemen and aircraft. We know this as Mig-21's were downed which were flown by Soviet pilots. When Russia Invaded Afghanistan, The Afghan freedom fighters were armed with Stinger Anti Aircraft weapons to bring down the Mi-24 Soviet helicopters that were hunting them.


This is hardly a new game or wrinkle.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Aren't we already a part of the war ? We send weapon (system) to the Ukrainian to fight the Russians.

Markus

Yes, but at a level below the Russian'S military reaction treshhold. The A-10s would be somethign they would not just let happen, their damage potential would be way too high as if they would ignore it.

And btw, you do not learn the A-10 just during a weekend course. It wa snot even certain that their Mig pilots knowoing th ekurioanian Migs and Sukhpios would be able to fly the Polish and Slovenian Sukhois and migs that were thight aboiut to deloiver them, since there always are some technical changes and different syetms mounted.

What Selenski really wants, desperately, is that NATO intervenes on Ukraine's behalf and declares war on Russia. But that would mean a world war.

Declaring it a world war we better leave to the man eater in the Kremlin.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Yes, but at a level below the Russian'S military reaction treshhold. The A-10s would be somethign they would not just let happen, their damage potential would be way too high as if they would ignore it.

And btw, you do not learn the A-10 just during a weekend course. It wa snot even certain that their Mig pilots knowoing th ekurioanian Migs and Sukhpios would be able to fly the Polish and Slovenian Sukhois and migs that were thight aboiut to deloiver them, since there always are some technical changes and different syetms mounted.

What Selenski really wants, desperately, is that NATO intervenes on Ukraine's behalf and declares war on Russia. But that would mean a world war.

Declaring it a world war we better leave to the man eater in the Kremlin.

I believe the Ukrainian pilots are better than you think. I have confidence that if those American pilots that flew the A-10 and have accumulated 1000's of hours " saddle time " teach the Ukrainians, they could be up and running in short order. Such is my confidence in the American Pilots.

[Skybird]

The US then is a n active war party in Putin'S eye. And he will react like he always does: he will escalate.

And that you tolerate Sovjets flying Vietnamese Mig-21 does nto mean the Russian would tolerate it when Us pilots do fly air attacks for the ukrainians. The US also was avoiding to attack supply depots in and around Hanoi, fearing it could kill Chinese personnel.

Biden put it in one sentence and he is right: when Americans and Russians start shooting at each other, thats world war 3.


Maybe we should instead use some A-10s to strafe targets in political Berlin, namely Tante Käthe in the kitchen of the defence ministry. That thing with the Strelas really irks me. Shame! Somebody has to tell the Grandma that her home-made biscuits so far all tasted terrible. First the helmet thing, and now this. Enbarassing, embarassing, Germany.

[mapuc]

Let's stick with what we send today-Defensive weapon (system)

Markus

[Andreas86]

Without top cover by friendly fighters, a sqadron or 3 of A-10s would be a turkey shoot for russian fighter jets. The A-10 is also very slow and would probably struggle if the russians has any decent anti air capability in its convoys. The US was able to utilize the A-10 successfully in Desert Storm against armor, because not only was most of Iraqi IADS and general AA capability completely devastated by endless sorties by F-117s, F-15E Strike Eagles, F-16s, F-18s (to name a few,), the Iraqi air force had fled (what was left), and the skies were completely saturated with F-15Cs, F-16s, F-14s, F-4Gs, and so on, flying top cover. Not counting the rest of the coalitions air power.

Total air superiority. Would it have fared as well against the Soviet Union in the 80s, we will never know. But as you all conclude, we will hardly find out now either.