Here we go again-Ukraine once again - Page 107

Catfish · 03-02-22, 01:13 PM

Up to now at least 4000 CIVILIANS killed by Russia.

Jeff-Groves · 03-02-22, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

A thought

Could it be that he see the Ukrainian as Russian and thereby holding back not going all in. Like they did in Chechnya

Markus

I think he never had that thought. He will escalate the attacks.
I'd bet he's just watching the Wests response and trying to save his arse knowing full well he screwed up!
Probably waiting for the Cruise Missiles and such to come rolling in.

Armistead · 03-02-22, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Andreas86

No, I meant that if Russia still has a trove of missiles and drones which they could attack a US battlegroup with, why don't the Russians use those on Ukraine.. As many have pointed out, it makes no sense that Ukraines air force is still operating. The Russians should have taken it out long ago, if they had the capability.

It's also possible Russia sees no need to use such advanced systems and would be saving those for NATO. It seems to be the typical approach of now laying waste to cities using less advanced conventional weapons as he's done before. I can't imagine him using the high tech stuff unless NATO becomes involved directly. It seems Ukraine is just being used as a pawn in a new Cold War. We won the last one being able to break them economically, so can we break them again in another long drawn out cold war. I don't know since China is gonna be the key player and ultimate winner in this.

mapuc · 03-02-22, 01:32 PM

I imagine following

Almost the entire world goes against Putin-China feel sorry for this and join forces with Russia-Sending 25 million soldier to NATO's border to Russia

(I know-will never happen I shouldn't be daydreaming)

Markus

Jimbuna · 03-02-22, 01:33 PM

UATV is funded in whole or in part by the Ukrainian government.

Susexx · 03-02-22, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

UATV is funded in whole or in part by the Ukrainian government.

This is not the uniform of the Russian army. And there are no bright elements and bright chevrons on the field uniform.

mapuc · 03-02-22, 01:49 PM

^ Thank you Susexx if it hadn't been for your denial of this video I would have believed it was a Russian POW in the video.

Markus

Jimbuna · 03-02-22, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Susexx

This is not the uniform of the Russian army. And there are no bright elements and bright chevrons on the field uniform.

Hence my comment above the video.

Commander Wallace · 03-02-22, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Andreas86

1. Then why don't they use this wealth of drones and cruise missiles to attack Ukrainian assets?
2. Not a valid argument. The U.S. has had several carrier battlegroups in the Persian Gulf which is much smaller.

Anyway, I hope you understand that it was not a serious suggestion. It was just to exemplify a wish for the U.S. to stand up for the freedom in the world, that it speak so warmly of.

On a side note, how do you guys think this would have played out under the Bush Jr. administration?

It's all good, really. I understand you are frustrated as many are and it may be getting the better of you. That's not a crime or an issue. In the Persian Gulf, you are talking regimes armed with speed boats and out dated aircraft. This is a whole different ball game. I completely agree with you on the somewhat soft stance the U.S is taking but I assume the administration has it's reasons. Everyone is agitated right now and it's understandable.

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Originally Posted by mapuc

From the article

Attacks from the air?
One possibility could then be to attack or bomb the stagnant Russian combat unit , but it is not as easy as it might sound.

- When you have such a column, you will do everything to protect it, it sounded on Tuesday from Karsten Marrup, major and head of air operations at the Defense Academy, to Ekstra Bladet.

He also assessed that the Russians make sure to protect the convoy very well so that it is not exposed to attack.

Markus

I agree Markus that an attack by air would not be easy or without risks. That's what makes war ugly and something to be avoided. However, I believe that if an attack like that were made, delivery of fragmentation and cluster munitions would be used on the advancing formations long before A-10's arrived to " soften " them up. The planners would certainly understand the Russians would also field anti aircraft batteries and shoulder fired weapons and try to take the necessary precautions for the strike aircraft.

Those fragmentation and cluster munitions are incredibly deadly against " soft targets " and would also have a demoralizing effect on the Russian formations only to have A-10's swoop in and finish the job. It's all in how you use your assets. I'm not an expert but i believe this would have been one possible scenario.

Rockstar · 03-02-22, 01:54 PM

I know a lot of the media has been focused in the north around Kyiv. But just an FYI, sometime ago Ukraine blocked the water supply to the Crimea. Which left the area dryer than a popcorn fart. That dam has been broken.

IMO everything in the north is a diversion while Russia works to occupy the Donbass and establish a land corridor to Crimea as the Ukraine Army Chief of Staff reported some days ago.

Susexx · 03-02-22, 02:02 PM

Officially, the Russian army has losses: 498 killed, 1597 wounded. This is an official statement of the Ministry of Defense

Jimbuna · 03-02-22, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Susexx

Officially, the Russian army has losses: 498 killed, 1597 wounded. This is an official statement of the Ministry of Defense

I'd have thought the true figure will be a lot higher but wouldn't know by what multiple.

Susexx · 03-02-22, 02:09 PM

If you wish, I can sometimes post what European propaganda does not show, let's call it alternative. I try to approach the matter without lies and falsehoods. If you have questions, ask them, but not about politics, I won't answer here, I'm not a politician and I don't like it.

Jimbuna · 03-02-22, 02:14 PM

I tend to take claims made by Russia regarding the Ukraine with a fair amount of skepticism because of the number of lies and untruths they have made.

But each to our own I suppose.

Armistead · 03-02-22, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'd have thought the true figure will be a lot higher but wouldn't know by what multiple.

US and UK sources are saying at least 4 times higher.

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,168 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	UATV is funded in whole or in part by the Ukrainian government. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,592 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	^ Thank you Susexx if it hadn't been for your denial of this video I would have believed it was a Russian POW in the video. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

03-02-22, 02:14 PM	#1604
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,168 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I tend to take claims made by Russia regarding the Ukraine with a fair amount of skepticism because of the number of lies and untruths they have made. But each to our own I suppose. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-02-22, 01:54 PM	#1600
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I know a lot of the media has been focused in the north around Kyiv. But just an FYI, sometime ago Ukraine blocked the water supply to the Crimea. Which left the area dryer than a popcorn fart. That dam has been broken. IMO everything in the north is a diversion while Russia works to occupy the Donbass and establish a land corridor to Crimea as the Ukraine Army Chief of Staff reported some days ago.

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Susexx Planesman Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: S.Peterburg, Russia Posts: 189 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	Officially, the Russian army has losses: 498 killed, 1597 wounded. This is an official statement of the Ministry of Defense

03-02-22, 02:09 PM	#1603
Susexx Planesman Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: S.Peterburg, Russia Posts: 189 Downloads: 94 Uploads: 0	If you wish, I can sometimes post what European propaganda does not show, let's call it alternative. I try to approach the matter without lies and falsehoods. If you have questions, ask them, but not about politics, I won't answer here, I'm not a politician and I don't like it.