Here we go again-Ukraine once again - Page 96

Catfish · 03-01-22, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

The earlier report of an armoured column 27km long has been corrected. Its 64km long.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60542877
2-3 Warthogs and they are toast.

re Aktung yes i know, I was one of the first to protest against the use of DU-projectiles in former Yugoslavia and the middle east, and was almost banned at this other forum for being so unamerican

But really, they are as vulnerable now as Hitler's columns heading for France and being stuck back then..
Putin does not have air superiority. Ukraine should strike NOW, where are they? What about drones?

Catfish · 03-01-22, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

[...] @ Anvar1061, can't play the video on my machine!

You did not miss much, seems it is a propaganda video.
They say it was not Putin who shelled Akhtyrka. I take it is not Putin trying to invade Ukraine but .. aliens

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Catfish · 03-01-22, 03:30 AM

'A new Europe' united against Russia — even neutral Switzerland

Germany, Switzerland and Sweden set aside historic nonaggression policies to join a united European front against Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...land-rcna18028

Catfish · 03-01-22, 03:55 AM

https://www.nbcnews.com/investigatio...s-sa-rcna18026

Not nice. But sit there and do nothing while Putin taking Ukraine, Poland and the baltic states?

Very sorry Mr. Putin but the rest of the world will not play this game. So Putin escalates the situation because he is so frustrated, and threatens the world with a nuclear strike?
High time to stop him, by whatever means.

Anvar1061 · 03-01-22, 04:31 AM

Anvar1061 · 03-01-22, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

@ Anvar1061, can't play the video on my machine!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

You did not miss much, seems it is a propaganda video.
They say it was not Putin who shelled Akhtyrka. I take it is not Putin trying to invade Ukraine but .. aliens

.

Catfish · 03-01-22, 05:13 AM

^ ?

^^ What Putin wants is probably not what most of russians want. And it is obviously not what a free and independent Ukraine wants.
Nothing of this justifies this invasion, there are russians shooting at russians for aggressor Putin's ego to make Russia great again in the borders of 1989.

Skybird · 03-01-22, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

https://www.nbcnews.com/investigatio...s-sa-rcna18026

Not nice. But sit there and do nothing while Putin taking Ukraine, Poland and the baltic states?

Very sorry Mr. Putin but the rest of the world will not play this game. So Putin escalates the situation because he is so frustrated, and threatens the world with a nuclear strike?
High time to stop him, by whatever means.

Thats a good assessment from them, and I see it like them, too. Putin has chsnged, became erratic, and from tbe consequences of these errors errs even more. I too fear the ugliest part of the war is still ahead. He is an isolated rabied dog now, more dangerous than ever. The murderously cool mastercalculator is gone, is no more.

Anvar1061 · 03-01-22, 05:22 AM

The US has spent $5 billion supporting regime change in Ukraine. Neo-fascists played a key role in the February 2014 coup. With their help, the US State Department and the Pentagon hoped to replace the legitimate president with someone who would push Ukraine to join NATO. But the key task of the operation in Ukraine was the eviction of the Black Sea Fleet from the military bases of the Crimea, which have existed for more than 230 years.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...-anti-governm/

Skybird · 03-01-22, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60542877
2-3 Warthogs and they are toast.

re Aktung yes i know, I was one of the first to protest against the use of DU-projectiles in former Yugoslavia and the middle east, and was almost banned at this other forum for being so unamerican

But really, they are as vulnerable now as Hitler's columns heading for France and being stuck back then..
Putin does not have air superiority. Ukraine should strike NOW, where are they? What about drones?

They kknow they are there, if they dont strike them, then probably they cant. No more missile ammo, no artillery in reach, no local air dominance - the reason could be many.

Anvar1061 · 03-01-22, 05:41 AM

— the grouping of the RF Armed Forces will continue to conduct a special military operation until the set goals are achieved;

- the main task is to protect Russia from the military threat posed by Western countries;

- Western countries are trying to use the Ukrainian people in the fight against Russia;

- the Russian army does not occupy Ukrainian territory, but takes all measures to preserve the lives and safety of civilians;

- strikes are carried out only on military targets and exclusively with high-precision weapons;

- the Ukrainian side uses civilians as a human shield, also uses multiple launch rocket systems, large-caliber weapons and mortars;

- The Ukrainian army is stationed in the courtyards of residential buildings, near schools and kindergartens.

(Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu)

Dowly · 03-01-22, 05:53 AM

^
Imagine being so deprived of your ability to form an independent thought that you actually believe this BS.

Catfish · 03-01-22, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Anvar1061

The US has spent $5 billion supporting regime change in Ukraine. Neo-fascists played a key role in the February 2014 coup. With their help, the US State Department and the Pentagon hoped to replace the legitimate president with someone who would push Ukraine to join NATO. But the key task of the operation in Ukraine was the eviction of the Black Sea Fleet from the military bases of the Crimea, which have existed for more than 230 years.
https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...-anti-governm/

Did you read the article you linked to? Please do.
I quote:

"Our ruling
Contrary to claims, the United States did not spend $5 billion to incite the rebellion in Ukraine.

That’s a distorted understanding of remarks given by a State Department official. She was referring to money spent on democracy-building programs in Ukraine since it broke off from the Soviet Union in 1991.

We rate the claim Pants on Fire."

Anvar1061 · 03-01-22, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

They say it was not Putin who shelled Akhtyrka.

Do you know where Akhtyrka is on the map? How do you know what was in that military unit that was razed to the ground? You don't need to know this. This is still about the naval base in Ochakovo, which the US military was building, you they (fakenews) did not tell.

Anvar1061 · 03-01-22, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Did you read the article you linked to?

This is a lie and an attempt to get out, referring to the wrong translation.

03-01-22, 03:30 AM	#1428
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,817 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	'A new Europe' united against Russia — even neutral Switzerland Germany, Switzerland and Sweden set aside historic nonaggression policies to join a united European front against Russia's invasion of Ukraine. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nat...land-rcna18028 __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,817 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	https://www.nbcnews.com/investigatio...s-sa-rcna18026 Not nice. But sit there and do nothing while Putin taking Ukraine, Poland and the baltic states? Very sorry Mr. Putin but the rest of the world will not play this game. So Putin escalates the situation because he is so frustrated, and threatens the world with a nuclear strike? High time to stop him, by whatever means. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

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03-01-22, 05:13 AM	#1432
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,817 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ ? ^^ What Putin wants is probably not what most of russians want. And it is obviously not what a free and independent Ukraine wants. Nothing of this justifies this invasion, there are russians shooting at russians for aggressor Putin's ego to make Russia great again in the borders of 1989. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

03-01-22, 05:22 AM	#1434
Anvar1061 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2012 Location: In the sea, on land and above Posts: 3,488 Downloads: 880 Uploads: 0	The US has spent $5 billion supporting regime change in Ukraine. Neo-fascists played a key role in the February 2014 coup. With their help, the US State Department and the Pentagon hoped to replace the legitimate president with someone who would push Ukraine to join NATO. But the key task of the operation in Ukraine was the eviction of the Black Sea Fleet from the military bases of the Crimea, which have existed for more than 230 years. https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...-anti-governm/ __________________

03-01-22, 05:41 AM	#1436
Anvar1061 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2012 Location: In the sea, on land and above Posts: 3,488 Downloads: 880 Uploads: 0	— the grouping of the RF Armed Forces will continue to conduct a special military operation until the set goals are achieved; - the main task is to protect Russia from the military threat posed by Western countries; - Western countries are trying to use the Ukrainian people in the fight against Russia; - the Russian army does not occupy Ukrainian territory, but takes all measures to preserve the lives and safety of civilians; - strikes are carried out only on military targets and exclusively with high-precision weapons; - the Ukrainian side uses civilians as a human shield, also uses multiple launch rocket systems, large-caliber weapons and mortars; - The Ukrainian army is stationed in the courtyards of residential buildings, near schools and kindergartens. (Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu) __________________

03-01-22, 05:53 AM	#1437
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,056 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	^ Imagine being so deprived of your ability to form an independent thought that you actually believe this BS.