Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Susexx

a brother kills a brother,

That could be stated about the USA's Civil War.
And I'm sure many other Wars over Centuries!

We ARE a Hunter/Killer species. And people wonder why the Aliens don't want to contact us!
We'd pollute their lives if not try to conquer them!

[Andreas86]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Is it just me or shouldn't there be bodies in the immediate vicinity?

If there is almost nothing left of the armor I doubt soft bodies would hold much integrity.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Andreas86

If there is almost nothing left of the armor I doubt soft bodies would hold much integrity.

Not a single one?

[Susexx]

Originally Posted by Catfish

EU airspace shut down to Russian planes.

Russia closed its skies in response. Chinese airlines will make planes out of gold after that.
This is exactly what we discussed with you.

[Jeff-Groves]

That area was cleansed before filming unless crews abandoned units before impact of heavy weapons.

In an attack on those Units? Bodies pretty much turn into mush but there is always a leg or something left.

I'd be inclined to think the Crews Cut and Ran like hell for safer areas.

I see no evidence they tried to turn the vehicles out of that kill zone.
I'd bet they saw what happened to Saddam's stuff and decided "I'm freaking outta here!"

[Andreas86]

Well yes, but I would imagine they were flung far away.. The ones that didn't take building kit form, that is. Censor.net has published a lot of pictures of burned out trucks and armor with charred bodies in Pompeii positions.


A Bayraktar drone caused this russian mess on the 24th. Cannot imagine much was left of those soldiers.


https://t.me/oleksiihoncharenko/10698

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Susexx

Russia closed its skies in response. Chinese airlines will make planes out of gold after that.
This is exactly what we discussed with you.

Yep, there will always be war profiteers one way or the other.
Re "in response" what do you expect the rest of the world will now do in response to Putin activating its nuclear "response"?
Putin's "response" almost sounds like his "peace keeping forces" invading Ukraine, so no one will misunderstand it now. He has been heard, but maybe he will regret it.

[Jeff-Groves]

It's not fun seeing the results in person.
I have first hand visual experience in that.
I really don't care to see images on any site.
I live with images in my head of the persons I killed.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Is it just me or shouldn't there be bodies in the immediate vicinity?

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

There could be many reason for bodies not shown.

1. Bodies were removed prior to the filming
2. In an attack Troops deployed from vehicles as is standard doctrine
3. To avoid being dropped from some sites? No bodies are shown.

I wasn't Mech Infantry but cross trained in Mech. If Convoy took a hit you bailed out of Mechs and took up fighting positions.
The big stuff coming in was aiming for the Mechs so you stood a better chance to survive or un-arse the AO!

Originally Posted by Catfish

Seldom shown in videos, and if they are blurred out.

AHEM! B 4 U speke do yer homework...Not only does Vlad the Bastard attempt a 'falseflag' attack ala Operation Himmler in 1939, but his Einsatzgruppen are well equipped for propaganda purposes against pißed-off babushka mommas on the home front! The russian artillery trucks are well equipped with crematorium units to cover up the maßive death rate for glorious neoSoviet propaganda purposes...photos reveal Russia's fleet of mobile crematoriums used to incinerate dead soldiers amid fears they will use them to hide the true scale of the Ukraine war. The terrifying trucks can reduce bodies to ashes on the roadside, making it even easier for Vladimir Putin to downplay the human cost of the conflict.

Soldiers can then crank up the heat to scorching temperatures, in a bid to avoid mountains of bodies piling up in public view. Russians have deployed the grim machinery alongside their usual military equipment for a number of years, but fears have now been raised they will become an all too familiar sight in Ukraine. They are able to camouflage in amongst the fleet of tanks and trucks, while concealing their sinister secret in plain sight. Defence Minister Ben Wallace told the Daily Telegraph: "If I was a soldier and knew that my generals had so little faith in me that they followed me around the battlefield with a mobile crematorium, or I was the mother or father of a son, potentially deployed into a combat zone, and my government thought that the way to cover up losses was a mobile crematorium, I’d be deeply, deeply worried.
"It’s a very chilling side effect of how the Russians view their forces."

BOTTOM LINE: having eschewed global Ma'at, Vlad the Bastard is certainly covering up his failing Götterdämmerung!!?? I submit; WW III is underway. https://www.the-sun.com/news/4772273...diers-ukraine/

[Jeff-Groves]

I doubt those have "Do not enter the oven" warning stickers!
I also doubt the 'easy bake ovens' were close behind a destroyed convoy.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

I doubt those have "Do not enter the oven" warning stickers!
I also doubt the 'easy bake ovens' were close behind a destroyed convoy.

Either way, Vlad the Bastard is a real Ash-hole

[Andreas86]

Or maybe, like WW2 torpedo tubes, that is just where they keep the booze..

[Jeff-Groves]

Maybe. But on a logistical level? It does make a lot of sense.
No more burial details and easier to ship the ashes home.
Not exactly what us Westerners would do what with 'No one left behind'.
But War is hell.

[Skybird]

They explained on TV that as far as NATO knows the Russians have a four stage scheme for activating their nuclear weapons, and are now on level 2 of four.

I believe - I dont know, I simply speculate - that this is something in the range of the US DEFCON scale being somewhere around 4, maybe 3.

Its also quite common for the big players that they have their nuclear readiness checked when they have conflicts somewhere. I would not be surprised if someobdy tells me that during the Iraq wars the Americnans were at DEFCON 4 also, at least at critical times.

Also keep on mind that on isolated nuclear platforms, namely SLBMs, you practically always have special circumstances and an inherently raised state of "special alert".

I think Putin , involuntarily, revealed something here, and that is that the Western reactions make themselves negatively felt for him. We now must stop to buy any oil or gas or coal from him. Or ores. Only then the exclusion from SWIFT can be extended to all Russian banks. when there are no bills we must straighten, then there is no need to pay anything, and the Russian players are not needed anymore and can be kicked out.

We should further reward him NATO's medal of merits for services to unify and consolidate NATO, maybe he escalates again and then has his waxen head going Plopp! in anger.

[ET2SN]

Just some quick take-aways and IMHO:


- The nuclear option has been on the table since 1949. We had a chance of turning it off in the 1990's but everyone opted to just turn it down a notch.


-The big take-away about other countries sending arms is that they are getting delivered, somehow.
That means Ukraine still has the infrastructure to move that stuff to the front(s). No one ships arms if they are only going to be displayed in Moscow.

-Ukraine is holding tough, for now. Russia wants to hold talks, already. That isn't how "Shock and Awe" is supposed to work.