Strange Anomaly Happening In Antarctica! - Page 2

Arlo · 02-11-22, 11:03 AM

Individual comparison does not present an overall picture. Sum total does.

mapuc · 02-11-22, 04:20 PM

About CO2 and volcanoes.

Before I read this interesting answer I was like some of you-Volcano eruption through millions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year.

Here is what I read.

You can't compare the CO2 from a volcano and the CO2 will leave after us.

The CO2 from volcano has C12 and C13, while CO2 from coal, Oil, Gasoline has C15, C16 and C17

In combination with the Ozone the C15-17

That's all I remember from this interesting read.

Markus

Sean C · 02-11-22, 10:11 PM

It seems a few here have missed the point of my previous post. The specific content of those charts is not important. In fact, the idea that all of those things are completely unrelated is the point.

Sure, we may have eliminated "volcanoes, sun activity, natural climate cycles etc." But that is by no means an elimination of any other cause. It is also by no means a confirmation of a man-made cause. As I've said before: in order to do that, one would need a "control" Earth with no humans [but otherwise identical conditions] which does not show a similar trend of climate change. Therefore, the answer is not "simply 'yes'". There is no concrete evidence as of yet that some other [perhaps completely unknown] cause isn't driving the current climate.

There are no "obvious" relations in science. If a theory cannot be repeatably tested by anyone with the means and always produce the same results, then it remains just that - a theory. A guess. Even if it does "seem obvious". Science is not how we feel about something. And sometimes it doesn't even make sense to us, based on our current understanding of the universe. What is [or should be] obvious is that we don't know everything. In fact, we know very little - and understand even less - about how even seemingly simple things actually work. Like gravity and light, for instance.

All of that is not to say that we should not make an effort to find cleaner and renewable energy sources. That's just common sense. And I do - in fact - think that this would have a beneficial effect on the climate. But to state that it is in any way a fact that we know the current climate situation is entirely and only caused by human activity is simply not true. At least not by scientific standards. We can say it is probably true. Even highly likely. But that is all.

Sometimes science does, by necessity, make assumptions. And those assumptions can be extremely useful - even if they are not entirely correct. But I believe it is a disservice to science to say - in this and some other areas - that the matter is settled. It isn't, and may never be. But that also doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do something about it.

Catfish · 02-12-22, 07:30 AM

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis...-due-to-humans

http://www.climatechange2013.org/ima...5_TS_FINAL.pdf

August · 02-15-22, 02:28 PM

The simple fact that is IF humans are responsible for the planets climate changes then the ONLY way to stop it is to cut our numbers down to a mere fraction of what they are now.

So which one of you Climate Justice Warriors will tell us which of the 6 billion or so people we'll have to kill off in order to realize your dream? I don't think you can make your target number by just killing off Trump voters alone.

Jeff-Groves · 02-15-22, 02:32 PM

I suppose Homo Sapiens are responsible for the largest drought in 1,200 years in the West part of the USA?
Ugly bags of Mostly Water!

Dowly · 02-15-22, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

I don't think you can make your target number by just killing off Trump voters alone.

You gotta start somewhere.

02-11-22, 11:03 AM	#16
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02-11-22, 04:20 PM	#17
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,596 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	About CO2 and volcanoes. Before I read this interesting answer I was like some of you-Volcano eruption through millions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere each year. Here is what I read. You can't compare the CO2 from a volcano and the CO2 will leave after us. The CO2 from volcano has C12 and C13, while CO2 from coal, Oil, Gasoline has C15, C16 and C17 In combination with the Ozone the C15-17 That's all I remember from this interesting read. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

02-11-22, 10:11 PM	#18
Sean C Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 988 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 2	It seems a few here have missed the point of my previous post. The specific content of those charts is not important. In fact, the idea that all of those things are completely unrelated is the point. Sure, we may have eliminated "volcanoes, sun activity, natural climate cycles etc." But that is by no means an elimination of any other cause. It is also by no means a confirmation of a man-made cause. As I've said before: in order to do that, one would need a "control" Earth with no humans [but otherwise identical conditions] which does not show a similar trend of climate change. Therefore, the answer is not "simply 'yes'". There is no concrete evidence as of yet that some other [perhaps completely unknown] cause isn't driving the current climate. There are no "obvious" relations in science. If a theory cannot be repeatably tested by anyone with the means and always produce the same results, then it remains just that - a theory. A guess. Even if it does "seem obvious". Science is not how we feel about something. And sometimes it doesn't even make sense to us, based on our current understanding of the universe. What is [or should be] obvious is that we don't know everything. In fact, we know very little - and understand even less - about how even seemingly simple things actually work. Like gravity and light, for instance. All of that is not to say that we should not make an effort to find cleaner and renewable energy sources. That's just common sense. And I do - in fact - think that this would have a beneficial effect on the climate. But to state that it is in any way a fact that we know the current climate situation is entirely and only caused by human activity is simply not true. At least not by scientific standards. We can say it is probably true. Even highly likely. But that is all. Sometimes science does, by necessity, make assumptions. And those assumptions can be extremely useful - even if they are not entirely correct. But I believe it is a disservice to science to say - in this and some other areas - that the matter is settled. It isn't, and may never be. But that also doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do something about it. __________________ If you have a question about celestial navigation ... ask me! Celestial Navigation Spreadsheet

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02-15-22, 02:28 PM	#20
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,244 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The simple fact that is IF humans are responsible for the planets climate changes then the ONLY way to stop it is to cut our numbers down to a mere fraction of what they are now. So which one of you Climate Justice Warriors will tell us which of the 6 billion or so people we'll have to kill off in order to realize your dream? I don't think you can make your target number by just killing off Trump voters alone. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

02-15-22, 02:32 PM	#21
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,658 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	I suppose Homo Sapiens are responsible for the largest drought in 1,200 years in the West part of the USA? Ugly bags of Mostly Water!