No Knock Warrants {Here we go again}

Armistead · 02-05-22, 09:57 AM

Here we go again... Is it time to end "No Knock" warrants. It seems any situation that gives each side only seconds to assess and make decisions is prone to failure, but giving time to a hardened criminal often ends up in shootouts or hostage situations. We had one not too long ago where police knocked with a search warrant and the man took his family hostage and before the day was over he killed his wife, 2 kids, family dog and then himself.

Police here did enter first with a key and did loudly identify themselves for about 7 secs before kicking the couch this man was on. It does appear he remained asleep while they were yelling and was startled awake with the kick of the couch and grabbed his gun in a second that appeared to be on a stool right beside him. He was not on the warrant, had no criminal record and was a legal CCP holder. A lot of people just don't have time to wake up and comprehend, hard sleepers, hungover, on prescription or illegal drugs, etc. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amir-lo...nLupxfq-r6GrRw

Buddahaid · 02-05-22, 10:33 AM

What could go wrong?

Commander Wallace · 02-05-22, 10:39 AM

There will always be two sides of the coin. Both points of view can also have their merits and these are difficult times to be a police officer. I do have difficulty with the news story for a couple reasons.

If the handgun was on a stool right beside the couch and visible and the police believed this was the individual they were looking for, Why then did they not avail themselves of the opportunity to secure the weapon. The article says that Amir Locke emerges from under the cover with the weapon. No-knock warrants have had deadly consequences for Black Americans and others. The killing of paramedic Breonna Taylor springs to mind.

As it turns out, Amir Locke was not named in the warrants and had a license to carry a weapon.

Quote:

Interim Chief Amelia Huffman said the city had both knock and no-knock warrants.
She said in a news conference after the video was released that Locke isn't named in the warrants. She said it isn't clear how or whether Locke is connected to the homicide investigation, which she said is under the control of the St. Paul Police Department. That agency has released few details so far and the warrants weren't publicly available Thursday.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amir-lo...nLupxfq-r6GrRw

It goes without saying the video's from all of the officers involved should be reviewed. All of the facts should be open for scrutiny and if necessary, let the courts work to resolve it.

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 02-05-22, 10:47 AM

Platapus · 02-05-22, 12:53 PM

I would like to see No-knock warrants need the signatures of two judges.

The ability for the police to literally kick in the door of your house in the middle of the night is a violation of civil rights that should only be done in the most extreme situations.

I also feel that the police need to be held accountable for any "mistakes".

Rockstar · 02-05-22, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kptlt. Neuerburg

Towards the end of the video he talks about how some warrants are based on information from a C.I. Made me think about a raid we conducted based on ‘intel’ from someone who heard from a friend of a friend that a home warehoused illegal drugs for transport to the U.S. 4 different agencies two foreign and two local went in busting down doors in a surprise raid at dawn guns out, yelling like crazy, seemed like utter madness I tell ya.

After all the boats, helicopters, guns and personnel involved. No drugs just one scared mother and two daughters from the Republic of Panama in hiding waiting to be brought to the U.S. illegally. Anyway, how we didn’t get in trouble for being involved in this especially since it was in another country is beyond me. Those were the days.

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 02-05-22, 11:12 PM

The biggest problem with C.I.'s is unless the "source" has been 100% verified it's generally hearsay but isn't always regarded as such which can and do lead to the raid you're talking about.

Bubblehead1980 · 02-06-22, 09:41 PM

Yes, they must stop, along with storm trooper style tactics for "normal operations." such as serving search warrants. Innocent people are getting killed, injured, falsely arrested.

There is a situation going on in my home town currently. Week or so ago, at 5 am, a police SWAT team stormed into a mans house with a "search warrant", startled, he fired his gun once, which hit the bullet resistant shield a officer was carrying. One cop fired back, but missed. Of course, the man was arrested.

This individual has no criminal record, is a family man, solid guy by all accounts. Likely awoken from a dead sleep, his instincts took over, he defended what he perceived in that state of mind, to be a intruder. Keep in mind, nothing illegal was found in the home.

Of course, cops claim they gave warning etc. Of course, there is conveniently no footage of the raid when they had body cameras. SWAT team does not film its raids. Interesting eh?

Police are pretty quiet it about now, but it is coming they made a mistake, had the wrong house or bad Intel, likely from a "CI" i.e. a snitch , but of course they arbitrarily charged him with attempted murder of law enforcement officer, instead of admitting they messed up. The victim of this, had bonded out of jail.

No knock warrants and militaristic tactics, dawn raids, etc by civilian law enforcement should end, must end.

02-05-22, 09:57 AM	#1
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	No Knock Warrants {Here we go again} Here we go again... Is it time to end "No Knock" warrants. It seems any situation that gives each side only seconds to assess and make decisions is prone to failure, but giving time to a hardened criminal often ends up in shootouts or hostage situations. We had one not too long ago where police knocked with a search warrant and the man took his family hostage and before the day was over he killed his wife, 2 kids, family dog and then himself. Police here did enter first with a key and did loudly identify themselves for about 7 secs before kicking the couch this man was on. It does appear he remained asleep while they were yelling and was startled awake with the kick of the couch and grabbed his gun in a second that appeared to be on a stool right beside him. He was not on the warrant, had no criminal record and was a legal CCP holder. A lot of people just don't have time to wake up and comprehend, hard sleepers, hungover, on prescription or illegal drugs, etc. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amir-lo...nLupxfq-r6GrRw __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

02-05-22, 10:33 AM	#2
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02-05-22, 12:53 PM	#5
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,425 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I would like to see No-knock warrants need the signatures of two judges. The ability for the police to literally kick in the door of your house in the middle of the night is a violation of civil rights that should only be done in the most extreme situations. I also feel that the police need to be held accountable for any "mistakes". __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

02-05-22, 11:12 PM	#7
Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,281 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	The biggest problem with C.I.'s is unless the "source" has been 100% verified it's generally hearsay but isn't always regarded as such which can and do lead to the raid you're talking about. __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin

02-05-22, 10:39 AM	#3
Commander Wallace Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Under the sea in an Octupus garden in the shade Posts: 5,332 Downloads: 366 Uploads: 0	There will always be two sides of the coin. Both points of view can also have their merits and these are difficult times to be a police officer. I do have difficulty with the news story for a couple reasons. If the handgun was on a stool right beside the couch and visible and the police believed this was the individual they were looking for, Why then did they not avail themselves of the opportunity to secure the weapon. The article says that Amir Locke emerges from under the cover with the weapon. No-knock warrants have had deadly consequences for Black Americans and others. The killing of paramedic Breonna Taylor springs to mind. As it turns out, Amir Locke was not named in the warrants and had a license to carry a weapon. Quote: Interim Chief Amelia Huffman said the city had both knock and no-knock warrants. She said in a news conference after the video was released that Locke isn't named in the warrants. She said it isn't clear how or whether Locke is connected to the homicide investigation, which she said is under the control of the St. Paul Police Department. That agency has released few details so far and the warrants weren't publicly available Thursday. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amir-lo...nLupxfq-r6GrRw It goes without saying the video's from all of the officers involved should be reviewed. All of the facts should be open for scrutiny and if necessary, let the courts work to resolve it.

02-06-22, 09:41 PM	#8
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,181 Downloads: 621 Uploads: 44	Yes, they must stop, along with storm trooper style tactics for "normal operations." such as serving search warrants. Innocent people are getting killed, injured, falsely arrested. There is a situation going on in my home town currently. Week or so ago, at 5 am, a police SWAT team stormed into a mans house with a "search warrant", startled, he fired his gun once, which hit the bullet resistant shield a officer was carrying. One cop fired back, but missed. Of course, the man was arrested. This individual has no criminal record, is a family man, solid guy by all accounts. Likely awoken from a dead sleep, his instincts took over, he defended what he perceived in that state of mind, to be a intruder. Keep in mind, nothing illegal was found in the home. Of course, cops claim they gave warning etc. Of course, there is conveniently no footage of the raid when they had body cameras. SWAT team does not film its raids. Interesting eh? Police are pretty quiet it about now, but it is coming they made a mistake, had the wrong house or bad Intel, likely from a "CI" i.e. a snitch , but of course they arbitrarily charged him with attempted murder of law enforcement officer, instead of admitting they messed up. The victim of this, had bonded out of jail. No knock warrants and militaristic tactics, dawn raids, etc by civilian law enforcement should end, must end.