Ford motor company

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Catfish

For what i have heard US buyers were not even allowed to repair their bought US vehicles

Oh they’re allowed to repair them. From what I’ve seen most people don’t have the slightest clue how to perform even the most basic maintenance. On top of that many modern cars are now built in such a way forcing the new owner back to the shop to have an ‘expert’ change a light bulb.

[Catfish]

In the US they were not allowed, until Biden decided that they have that right.
And for what i see here people repairing their "mobile property" (read cars, trucks, whatever) are better informed and capable than the brand-owned shops belonging to the company building the car.
And they will charge you around 120 Euos an hour, if they find the error or not.
F. them.

[Jeff-Groves]

If it's part of a purchase CONTRACT? Yes that is a legal document one signs.
As to being forced to have service preformed by the Dealer? Nope. There's ways around that!
I program my vehicles to run balls to the walls with special software.
If I HAVE to take them in? I just reverse to the stock program.

Hackers have ways and means!

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Catfish

In the US they were not allowed, until Biden decided that they have that right.
And for what i see here people repairing their "mobile property" (read cars, trucks, whatever) are better informed and capable than the brand-owned shops belonging to the company building the car.
And they will charge you around 120 Euos an hour, if they find the error or not.
F. them.

You might want to fact check that thing about not being allowed until Biden gave them that right.

Anyway, about the resale of private property. I think Mr. Groves hit the nail on the head. If it’s in the contract it’s in the contract. If you don’t like the terms don’t sign it or buy the car.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

You might want to fact check that thing about not being allowed until Biden gave them that right.

I meant his.
https://www.autoblog.com/2021/07/07/...nwaKJI5VKkgJxa

Anyway, about the resale of private property. I think Mr. Groves hit the nail on the head. If it’s in the contract it’s in the contract. If you don’t like the terms don’t sign it or buy the car.

I guess i already said: F. them.

[Skybird]

Windows/Microsoft practically own your computer and business software and dictate you terms and conditions and functioanlity and bugs and flaws and access to your privacy at Microsoft's will - so why not Ford owning the car you leased?

[Rockstar]

Not sure how that “right to repair” thingy really applies to the automotive side. As far as I know tools and parts are readily available everywhere to everyone. There isn’t a shade tree mechanic or small business auto shop I’m aware of that can’t get what they need to fix a car. Hell just a few months ago I ordered genuine Toyota OEM parts and replaced the front struts all by myself.

Maybe it has something do to with car design. There’s something I have seen change a lot over the years. Engines are getting so complicated and crammed into small compartments the average owner can’t even change the oil in their car or is at a loss at how.

The only other thing I’m aware of which might prevent a small shop from getting specialized computers, machines, tools and training to fix say, an Audi S5. Is it simply isn’t worth it, he would end up losing much of his investment because there isn’t that many Audi’s out there to fix. Therefore Audi owners don’t have much choice but to go to a Audi dealership that already has all of the tools and training.

[ET2SN]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Not sure how that “right to repair” thingy really applies to the automotive side.

There is currently a bru-ha-ha involving John Deere, Right To Repair, and farmers.
This gets complicated really fast. If you leased a tractor over a 15 year purchase agreement, do you own it? As an "owner", are you bound to service agreements if they are listed in the fine print or can you wrench on it in the barn?

This all boils down to contract law and capitalism.
Neither subject can be considered click-bait-y but it does become important when vehicles become high dollar assets.

[Platapus]

My Forester is the first vehicle I have owned in a long time where it was feasible to change the oil by myself.


One car I had years ago had to be on a lift just to change the oil as that was the only way to gain access to the filter.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by ET2SN

There is currently a bru-ha-ha involving John Deere, Right To Repair, and farmers.
This gets complicated really fast. If you leased a tractor over a 15 year purchase agreement, do you own it? As an "owner", are you bound to service agreements if they are listed in the fine print or can you wrench on it in the barn?

This all boils down to contract law and capitalism.
Neither subject can be considered click-bait-y but it does become important when vehicles become high dollar assets.

Ya I was reading a little bit more about this. It doesn’t have jack squat to do with Biden giving car owners the right to fix their own cars. Makes it sound like we we could never turn a wrench until Sleepy Joe allowed us too.

It has much more to do with as you said contracts, warranty, planned obsolescence, and making things so consumers can fix them and possibly just more intrusive meddling and regulation by the state. Pretty soon we’ll need to hire a lawyer to buy a cup of coffee.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by ET2SN

There is currently a bru-ha-ha involving John Deere, Right To Repair, and farmers.
This gets complicated really fast. If you leased a tractor over a 15 year purchase agreement, do you own it? As an "owner", are you bound to service agreements if they are listed in the fine print or can you wrench on it in the barn?

This all boils down to contract law and capitalism.
Neither subject can be considered click-bait-y but it does become important when vehicles become high dollar assets.

I read this as well. Right now, you almost have to be a computer engineer to do work on your car. I know a few guys who use a laptop tied into the vehicles onboard computer so they ( can talk to each other ) They adjust the fuel and spark curves and other things. Motorcycles are becoming just as bad with the advent of fuel injection on them.

Tearing an engine down isn't all that hard although, you still need a qualified machine shop to do cylinder boring and cutting and or polishing a crankshaft. I took a few years of mechanics when I was in high school so this isn't a big deal. You also need basic skills with a caliper to measure to set tolerances for bearings and such. As Jeff said, if you have knowledge like that in programming, you can do a lot of the work yourself.

There is no doubt however that car manufacturers want you to bring your cars back to them so they can charge over inflated service prices. You can save tons of money if like Rockstar, Platapus and others have said in that you can perform basic service including brakes, struts, alternators, etc....