Should cannibis be considered legal.

[Drebbel]

Should cannibis be considered legal.

It Already IS !!!

And our country is still alive and most of our nabour countries still talking to us. It also gave us a great new high quality export product

[kiwi_2005]

Thankyou Avon - kind words . And Drebbel you dutch are so lucky

[Bertgang]

My ok for medical use of cannabis, if really useful for some special situation, I just don't know if what it's often said about that is true or noth.

To add more confusion, and maybe a suggestion for some of us , I once heard another interesting thing.

As it seems, cannabis could be useful for sex too: men too fast in making love could have their speed reduced by a good smoke.

Out of that, I see an important difference between alcohol and cannabis: the first one is sometimes used as a drug, but most of time it's just an increased pleasure when eating food (at least, for me); the second is just fit to have a sort of silly happiness, or to feel so fun something really stupid.
Nothing against idiot smiles, unless shown by drivers.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

I dont smoke cannibis i eat it, I add it to my cooking, when i cook a stew i'll add abit to the pot, or baking a cake, banana cake with a bit of cannibis goes well.

I see. Your usual weired and mysterious topics are excused, then.

Originally Posted by VipertheSniper

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He was also in Desperado and Once Upon A Time In Mexico and a bunch of other movies and TV shows:
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Tommy Chong? Not quite as much, but still working steadily:
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Oh, and my vote on MJ. As a white, conservative (well, sort of) Christian (well, sort of), I say a resounding YES! I have yet to see any harm greater than that from alcohol, and America is supposed to be about freedom.

[Iku-turso]

Originally Posted by Drebbel

It Already IS !!!

And our country is still alive and most of our nabour countries still talking to us. It also gave us a great new high quality export product

Huh,i first read that thread was "Should cannibals be considered legal...and i dont even smoke tobacco.

[Ducimus]

All im going to say, is i have a rabid disgust and hatred of narcotics. Half of my heriditary family has a history of drug and alcohol abuse and their all either dead, at the bottom of lifes dredges, or trying to recover from it.

Ive seen people destroy their lives for ****ing drugs, just so they can get their next fix. My girlfriend used to have a serious problem with it as well. Ive seen how it effects people first hand. She's still trying to recover finicially, (5 YEARS LATER, STILL TRYING TO RECOVER FINANCIALLY), from all the damn pay day loans she took out so she could buy more drugs. I gave her a second chance and she cleaned up her act. Only now she has an alcohol problem. Oh yeah, lets replace one addition with another. If i didnt feel anything for her id have left years ago, but the alcohol is becoming a problem now. I wont marry her so long as she has addiction issues. If she toch's any drugs again ill drop her like a brick and wont look back and she knows it.

Naturally, i dont think legalizing pot is a good idea. You want to start to destroy your own life, fine, but leave others out of it with self serving poltiical agendas. leagalize marjuana indeed, F that!

[August]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

All im going to say, is i have a rabid disgust and hatred of narcotics. Half of my heriditary family has a history of drug and alcohol abuse and their all either dead, at the bottom of lifes dredges, or trying to recover from it.

Ive seen people destroy their lives for ****ing drugs, just so they can get their next fix. My girlfriend used to have a serious problem with it as well. Ive seen how it effects people first hand. She's still trying to recover finicially, (5 YEARS LATER, STILL TRYING TO RECOVER FINANCIALLY), from all the damn pay day loans she took out so she could buy more drugs. I gave her a second chance and she cleaned up her act. Only now she has an alcohol problem. Oh yeah, lets replace one addition with another. If i didnt feel anything for her id have left years ago, but the alcohol is becoming a problem now. I wont marry her so long as she has addiction issues. If she toch's any drugs again ill drop her like a brick and wont look back and she knows it.

Naturally, i dont think legalizing pot is a good idea. You want to start to destroy your own life, fine, but leave others out of it with self serving poltiical agendas. leagalize marjuana indeed, F that!

Anyone that can't handle their drug use shouldn't use them regardless of their legality, but, IMO lumping every drug in to one governmental "don't do or else" basket like you are doing causes way more drug abuse than it prevents.

You cannot legislate morality.

[Ducimus]

Theres no moral legisation involved. They are qutie simply bad for your health, they deteriorte human beings- you become a hazard to everyoen around you, and it's usage should not be condoned by making them legal.

If you want to make Pot legal, may as well make driving under the influence legal as well. Pot leads to other ****, its the gateway drug, you have to draw a line somewhere.

[August]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Theres no moral legisation involved. They are qutie simply bad for your health, they deteriorte human beings- you become a hazard to everyoen around you, and it's usage should not be condoned by making them legal.

If you want to make Pot legal, may as well make driving under the influence legal as well. Pot leads to other ****, its the gateway drug, you have to draw a line somewhere.

Bull. We manage to have legal alcohol without legalizing driving under the influence. Two totally separate issues.

As for pot being a "gateway" drug, more bull. I know potheads that have never even tried another drug and i know coke users who have never tried pot. According to you neither should exist but they do.

If you're going to ban something you had better have the facts on your side and you (actually "they" the government) don't.

[Ducimus]

Whats bull**** is the whole "make pot legal" crusade. The entire thing is a self serving bull**** story. Drugie's will do anything to get their next hit. They don't care where, or how. Making pot legal, is a potheads dream. Medical reasons? Horse****! If you went to the right people im sure you can produce stuides that say theres a valid medical reasons for cocain, LSD, Heroin, or anything else you might want to snort, swallow, inject or inhale.

Making Pot, or ANY other illiceit narcotic legal is saying, "its ok to do drugs!". And even IF there is a medical reason for pot, that doesnt justify making it legal. Theres plenty of anethisia and painkillers that is used in the medical field that is just as mood altering and habit forming, and they arent legal to own on the street.

If your looking for a debate, you wont find it with me. The answer will always be, NO, i dont care what self serving bull**** story you hatch.

[August]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Whats bull**** is the whole "make pot legal" crusade. The entire thing is a self serving bull**** story. Drugie's will do anything to get their next hit. They don't care where, or how. Making pot legal, is a potheads dream. Medical reasons? Horse****! If you went to the right people im sure you can produce stuides that say theres a valid medical reasons for cocain, LSD, Heroin, or anything else you might want to snort, swallow, inject or inhale.

Making Pot, or ANY other illiceit narcotic legal is saying, "its ok to do drugs!". And even IF there is a medical reason for pot, that doesnt justify making it legal. Theres plenty of anethisia and painkillers that is used in the medical field that is just as mood altering and habit forming, and they arent legal to own on the street.

If your looking for a debate, you wont find it with me. The answer will always be, NO, i dont care what self serving bull**** story you hatch.

Whatever. You're doctor, lawyer, government regulator, judge, jury and executioner all rolled into one. Hopefully someday people like you will be consigned to the dustbins of history like the inquisitors and witch hunters of old.

In spite of what you want to believe, Marijuana is not a narcotic. It is a naturally growing plant that has been used by man for thousands of years for everything from a mild anti-depressant to an appetite enhancer. Putting it into the same classification with a real man made narcotic like crack cocaine only tells people that your artifical definitions are not to be believed. Hence my original point.

[LoBlo]

The truth is that cannibis is probably just another psychoactive substance used for by people for a mood effect just as some use alcohol or even caffeine. The problem is that whenever a psychoactive substance is released to a society, there will be some that will use is responsibly (just like alcohol) and some that will abuse it, even becoming emotionally dependent on it (instead of relying on inherent coping mechanisms).

Putting it out there to use will garantee that a portion of the populaiton will have problems controlling their use. They will go to work stoned, operate heavy machinery while under the influence (not a good idea), decide that they want to go on a drive while high as a kite, or go for a stroll in a public area acting inappropriately because they are stoned. Just like alcohol actually...

So a society will have to weigh the monetary cost savings of not having to worry about the resources needed to ban it, versus the monetary and societal cost of having to deal with those persons that will abuse it. My personal opinion is keep it illegal.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

"For meat"?

The original word in both verses is "le'ochla", from the word "ochel", meaning "food" or "eating". So that the verse is saying these things are "for food" or "for eating."

The biblical word for "meat" or "flesh" is "bassar". This can first be seen in Genesis 2:23(turn the page ), when Adam commented on the creation of Eve:

And man said, "This time, it is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh ("bassar mi'bsarri"). This one shall be called ishah (woman) because this one was taken from ish (man)."

This usage is consistant throughout the Torah.

Class dismissed!

Uh class back in...this is why Jews are where Jews are today...you strain at the knat and swallow the camel....you attempt to hold to every letter of the law and in turn ensalve everyone as you are ensalved to it....Faith is what makes everything on this earth pure and fit for good use...if you want to eat pot...smoke pot, snort pot, or whatever. Please do not try to bind me by the same chains you are bound by Avon Lady.

This earth and every last thing on it was a gift for our use please do not try to attach conditions because there was only ONE...do not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil....smoke me if you got em.

But please continue in your own intrepretations of the law of life as you see fit.

Class re-dismissed...

[LoBlo]

Originally Posted by August

In spite of what you want to believe, Marijuana is not a narcotic. It is a naturally growing plant that has been used by man for thousands of years for everything from a mild anti-depressant to an appetite enhancer. Putting it into the same classification with a real man made narcotic like crack cocaine only tells people that your artifical definitions are not to be believed. Hence my original point.

You guys are misusing the term "narcotic". In medical terms a narcotic is a class of analgesics that reduces pain and is often abused for its sedative effects. Another name for them is opioids, such as morphine, dilaudid, codeine, or heroin. Crack, speed, and marijuana are not "narcotics".

Its also important to realize that many pyschoactive substances are found in nature. Your own body produces opium-like hormones secreted by your nervous system to induce nervous system effects. Exogenous opium is dervided from naturally occuring plants to produce drugs like heroin.

Crack itself is a derivative of cocaine, which itself is procured from a naturally occuring plant.

So the argument that marijuana is naturally occuring thus such be legal is pretty weak and baseless.