Sunrise Police Incident (bodycam footage)

[Rockstar]

Not my intention to copsplaine anything.

What I see is every single screen shot of the video freezes the hand of the sergeant next to the lady officers throat. Along with the obligatory media narrative that he was strangling her. Image is everything so we get the public outcry followed up with a knee jerk reaction.


But looking at the video.

I saw no abuse. If the lady saw abuse it will come out in the investigation so I’m not sure why the young lady began pulling on the sergeants belt. But I imagine there are other ways to bring abuse charges besides grabbing and pulling on someone else’s gun belt during an arrest. When the sargeant whipped around it looked to me as though he was pushing the lady. Yes initially driving towards the the throat but almost immediately moved further down towards her chest area.

I do know in my training if I felt a hand on my gun other than my own I was to swing around and drive my elbow into whoever was doing it and keep at it until they let go. Then ask questions.

Give it time they’ll figure it out but I got a feeling both are going to have the hammer dropped on’em.

Wouldn’t be something if it was found out the sargeant did nothing wrong. But the young lady freaked out and like the public didn’t have all the facts and made baseless assumptions which prompted her to grab the back of sargeant belts and drag him from the vehicle. Which in turn ticked off the sargeant. Now that would be funny.

[Buddahaid]

Wouldn't it be cool if everyone stopped making up stories.

[Reece]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Wouldn't it be cool if everyone stopped making up stories.

Not going to happen mate!

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Not my intention to copsplaine anything.

What I see is every single screen shot of the video freezes the hand of the sergeant next to the lady officers throat. Along with the obligatory media narrative that he was strangling her. Image is everything so we get the public outcry followed up with a knee jerk reaction.


But looking at the video.

I saw no abuse. If the lady saw abuse it will come out in the investigation so I’m not sure why the young lady began pulling on the sergeants belt. But I imagine there are other ways to bring abuse charges besides grabbing and pulling on someone else’s gun belt during an arrest. When the sargeant whipped around it looked to me as though he was pushing the lady. Yes initially driving towards the the throat but almost immediately moved further down towards her chest area.

I do know in my training if I felt a hand on my gun other than my own I was to swing around and drive my elbow into whoever was doing it and keep at it until they let go. Then ask questions.

Give it time they’ll figure it out but I got a feeling both are going to have the hammer dropped on’em.

Wouldn’t be something if it was found out the sargeant did nothing wrong. But the young lady freaked out and like the public didn’t have all the facts and made baseless assumptions which prompted her to grab the back of sargeant belts and drag him from the vehicle. Which in turn ticked off the sargeant. Now that would be funny.

You have a fair point and I should not have said "copsplaining" as your intent does seem genuine, and perhaps from your perspective as a LEO, you are sure of your view. I admit, it is a bit baffling, pretty clear what went down in the footage. Thus, my reaction is certainly not kneejerk, I've watched it many times and can see him whip out the pepper spray, go charging in, and it appears that he sprayed the restrained suspect, who was not resisting, but not sure if actually sprayed, that bit is unclear. Certainly does appear he was at minimum about to spray a handcuffed subject, which was not called for at all. Then when the female officer, following her recent training on deescalating situations, pulls the Sergeant back, he spins around, pauses a second and grabs female officer by the throat. While he did move his hand down, he kept his hand on her and pushed her back for several seconds, even though he knew it was another cop who was behind him, he committed a battery and there is no excuse for his behavior. That is where the outcry is coming from, his behavior was out of line. This is great thing about body cameras, as the Chief said "The footage speaks for itself." I look forward to when the audio is released, although I have a feeling he said some things, that will only hurt him.


The female officer is a example of cops we need, she saw something wrong and stopped it, instead of taking no action, thin blue line all of that.

[Rockstar]

No worries I’m not here to argue you’re wrong and I’m right, only to state my own opinion. One of which I think this is as an internal matter and our media has a responsibility too keep us informed too. But instead they seem, at least too me, to create their own contentious narrative.

Whatever the reasons, perceptions or facts are it’s obvious something went horribly wrong. The actions of both of those people need to be investigated and lessons learned.

[Jeff-Groves]

@Rockstar,
You are the ONE person I expected to follow the trail.
You let me down.


I'd say we need HIS body Cam along with all the other Officers on Scene.
Seems like a set up from one perspective to me at this point.
Why not his Cam? Why not all the other LEO's Cams?

And where is her Cam SHOWING his hands coming at her!
I suspect a totally edited version of visual FACTS!

Whos' Cam shows the side view near the end? That was NOT Hers!
And I find it HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS it DOES NOT SHOW HIS HANDS ON HER THROAT!
Funny how THAT part is just out of frame!

I ALSO find the link to the Youtube owner highly SUSPICIOUS!
Find the actual video released by the Police and not someone that has an agenda!

I actually thought you all were smarter then to fall for this kind of BS!
And YES Bubblehead1980! You are the idiot that posted the link!
YOU have an agenda also?

When The Freak You all gonna learn to research stuff?
This video doesn't even reach Deep Fake standards and you fall for it!
Do I have to pull out the crayons and explain Deep Fake now?

I'd suggest a complete removeal of this thread by Admin as it's tainted BS!

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

@Rockstar,
You are the ONE person I expected to follow the trail.
You let me down.


I'd say we need HIS body Cam along with all the other Officers on Scene.
Seems like a set up from one perspective to me at this point.
Why not his Cam? Why not all the other LEO's Cams?

And where is her Cam SHOWING his hands coming at her!
I suspect a totally edited version of visual FACTS!

Whos' Cam shows the side view near the end? That was NOT Hers!
And I find it HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS it DOES NOT SHOW HIS HANDS ON HER THROAT!
Funny how THAT part is just out of frame!

I ALSO find the link to the Youtube owner highly SUSPICIOUS!
Find the actual video released by the Police and not someone that has an agenda!

I actually thought you all were smarter then to fall for this kind of BS!
And YES Bubblehead1980! You are the idiot that posted the link!
YOU have an agenda also?

When The Freak You all gonna learn to research stuff?
This video doesn't even reach Deep Fake standards and you fall for it!
Do I have to pull out the crayons and explain Deep Fake now?

I'd suggest a complete removeal of this thread by Admin as it's tainted BS!

The police officer who allegedly assaulted the woman police officer is on desk duty pending an investigation. Apparently, there was enough evidence to put him on desk duty and get him off the street. The Police chief of both of these officers has said he is disgusted upon seeing the video. The chief is a lot closer to this situation than we are.

IA will conduct a full investigation to determine if actions including firing the police officer and a filing of charges is warranted and can be supported in court. Anything beyond that is speculation at best. I think we should all step back, curb the angst and just wait to see how this all plays out.

[Jeff-Groves]

Another Sucker to the video posted.
Not saying it didn't happen but the video posted IS edited and suspect.

Nice to see how many actually fall for THAT YouTube channels postings.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Another Sucker to the video posted.
Not saying it didn't happen but the video posted IS edited and suspect.

Nice to see how many actually fall for THAT YouTube channels postings.

I'm sure forensics experts will investigate to determine if the videos have been tampered with and or edited and take the appropriate action. Till then, we should just take a wait and see approach.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

@Rockstar,
You are the ONE person I expected to follow the trail.
You let me down.


I'd say we need HIS body Cam along with all the other Officers on Scene.
Seems like a set up from one perspective to me at this point.
Why not his Cam? Why not all the other LEO's Cams?

And where is her Cam SHOWING his hands coming at her!
I suspect a totally edited version of visual FACTS!

Whos' Cam shows the side view near the end? That was NOT Hers!
And I find it HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS it DOES NOT SHOW HIS HANDS ON HER THROAT!
Funny how THAT part is just out of frame!

I ALSO find the link to the Youtube owner highly SUSPICIOUS!
Find the actual video released by the Police and not someone that has an agenda!

I actually thought you all were smarter then to fall for this kind of BS!
And YES Bubblehead1980! You are the idiot that posted the link!
YOU have an agenda also?

When The Freak You all gonna learn to research stuff?
This video doesn't even reach Deep Fake standards and you fall for it!
Do I have to pull out the crayons and explain Deep Fake now?

I'd suggest a complete removeal of this thread by Admin as it's tainted BS!

So you are saying Footage is fake eh ? lol

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

So you are saying Footage is fake eh ? lol

Not fake per-se, but there were at least 6 officers on scene. There should be at least 3 other angles of the "incident". we also need the audio, as that would put the actions seen in the video into some sort of context.

[Jeff-Groves]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

So you are saying Footage is fake eh ? lol

It's such an edited version that once traced to the YouTube channel you took it from?
Yeah. Agenda to make ALL Police the Bad Guys.
I traced better footage and that video you posted is intentionally edited!


He DID NOT grab her by the throat! He did grab her by the collar NEAR her throat.
She DID grab his belt and pull him back out of the Vehicle as he seemed ready to spray the Guy.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

It's such an edited version that once traced to the YouTube channel you took it from?
Yeah. Agenda to make ALL Police the Bad Guys.
I traced better footage and that video you posted is intentionally edited!


He DID NOT grab her by the throat! He did grab her by the collar NEAR her throat.
She DID grab his belt and pull him back out of the Vehicle as he seemed ready to spray the Guy.

Jeff, I posted, what was at the time the best video available, or that I found. I have watched multiple videos, different angles, etc, pretty sure everything that is out there. Perhaps share a video?

The Sergeant clearly grabbed her by the throat, began to push her, then moved his hand down and continued to pus her. The collar? really? Please share a video you believe shows this. Even if true, there is no excuse for his actions, grabbing her, pushing her. The Chief stated the video speaks for itself and it does. I definitely want to hear the audio, I would bet money it is quite damning to him and thus why has been withheld.

I have no anti-cop agenda, I know some individuals that are great people and officers. However, there are clear systemic issues with law enforcement as a whole in the US, and actions by the Sergeant and the numerous officers we see on a near daily basis, their actions and behaviors are manifestations of the systemic problems.

In situations like this, I wonder about the agendas, the apparent intellectual dishonesty, when there is clear video of a out of control cop, and people try to defend, excuse their actions. Really, there are people who will defend a cop no matter what. I recall people actually defending the cop in the Walter Scott shooting in South Carolina. As may recall, he shot him in the back and then video caught them trying to plant evidence. I heard a number of people try to justify this. I deal with the accused on a near daily basis and see cases of police misconduct on a regular basis. Sometimes, situations are confusing, chaotic, but this is pretty cut and dry. Sergeant had no right to grab the female officer and really had no justification to spray (if he did not, he clearly was about to, any reasonable person would believe he was about to do so) the subject in custody. Female officer, followed her training to prevent abuse of the citizen in custody. Imagine, if one of the cops on scene with George Floyd, etc had the moral courage to do what this officer did, a tragedy could have been avoided.