Wuhan virus 2020 - Page 651

Skybird · 12-30-21, 08:51 AM

mapuc · 12-30-21, 09:30 AM

It affected me, seeing these terrible news clip from Italy and other places around the world where you saw kilometer long caravan of military trucks with dead bodies.

Markus

August · 12-30-21, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Btw how many are standing in line for your safe and effective J&J vaccine?

No line for me, I had an appointment.

Rockstar · 12-30-21, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by August

No line for me, I had an appointment.

Might want reconsider, My doctor doesn’t recommend it, CVS stopped administering it and the CDC recommends anything else but the J&J vaccine. I guess because of that ‘rare’ problem people encounter.

Really wish I knew what their definition of ‘rare’ really is.

Everyone here is getting up in age including me. We should all seriously considering getting vaccinated. But it should our choice based on informed decisions. Not out of fear or power hungry people mandating it for perfectly healthy and younger people, destroying lives & business in the process? Mandate nazis are idiots will always be idiots

And for once I agree with Cornpop “there is no federal solution”.

Sean C · 12-30-21, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

New York 2020

To be fair, that could be New York in any given year. They had 77,700 murders in the 55 years from 1965 to 2019, with an average of 1,400 murders per year. That does not include other violent crimes that may have resulted in death.

Granted, that's been on the decline. 2019 "only" saw 558 murders in NY.

Source

Skybird · 12-30-21, 01:07 PM

Its about how many Covid-induced deaths there have been in what ammount of time, and how crowded the hospitals and morgues were, and how many additional people suffered and died because they could not go to hospital with their issues, or had treatment delayed. Ordinary crime in NY has not bodybags being stockpiled to the ceiling in morgues day in, day out, has it.

Crime rate does not compare to it. Traffic accidents not. IN NO WAY. And there were so many cities around the globe like this.

On J&J, it simply is not as effective as the other vaccines, that simple it is. It gives a solid but inferior protection against Delta, and less so against Omicron, and in any case its protections wanes much faster than that of the mRNA vaccines. Thats why quick boostering with an mRNA is strongly recommended, and using J&J is discouraged and by authorities dismissed over here in Germany and other countries, france, iceland. Since this all is so, J&J has a very high rate - for standards of Covid 19 vaccines - of breakthrough infections. This is I think the main reason why it is not used a lot. High rate of breakthrough infections also was the reason why Iceland was the first to stop it completely, I think.

My parents got their second jab yesterday, earlier than planned. My father had a very heavy reaction and breakdown and this morning was taken to hospital. He has just been returned two hours ago. Mum said at the farewell there he started an argument with the doctor there about how bad vaccination "obviously" is. The doc was not impressed, said it is not the vaccine but the age-dependign status of his immune system, if he thinks he was bad off, then he could show im around on the COVID ICU station they have (its the Münster university hospital) , then he would see within seconds what being bad off really means and that the risks of a severe vaccination reaction is absolutely minor compared to the risk an old person faces when meeting Mr. Bug unvaccinated - THEN you are "bad off". I am tempted to go there and thank that doctor personally - since he radically confronted my father, my Dad is silent and calm like a happy lamb.

The German Paul Ehrlich institute tracked heavy reactions to vaccination as reported amongst elder people form beginning on. They said in spring for exampel that amognst the millions of jabs given, there were some 300 or 400 reports of reacitions amongst elder people (all mpopulation 1500 or so) and a few died - but only in two such cases there is doubt on that they died not from their age, but for the jab, becasue in that age group you must expect a higher natural mortality anyway. So what they say is they got reports on just two cases at that time that maybe - MAYBE - indicate that the vaccination causally led to the death of the patient. Beyond that, you need to expect less effectiveness and a higher rate of reactions to vaccinaiton the older the people are. You see that with EVERY vaccination against VERY desease.

For a short time I felt guilt today, of course, but no more. Mind soon took over from the heart, and that is good so. When Mr. Bug meets my father, my father has tremedously raised chances to survive that meeting now. Having one bad day is not too high a price for this dramatic gain, and my father is 77, had at least one - minor - stroke, probably already more before that just were not recognised, and until earlier this years was a diabetic and hypertonic.

My Mum got two free rides, no reactions whatever, she was better off than I were after my first two. She felt nothing!

August · 12-30-21, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Might want reconsider, My doctor doesn’t recommend it, CVS stopped administering it and the CDC recommends anything else but the J&J vaccine. I guess because of that ‘rare’ problem people encounter.

Too late, I got my J&J shot back May. Still swimming in the big tepid pool of life!

Not sure where you got your info from though because as of the other day J&J boosters were still available at CVS.

Catfish · 12-30-21, 02:34 PM

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...dy-2021-12-30/

edit: Why Johnson & Johnson is suddenly so 'bad'
https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/17/...covid-vaccine/

Sean C · 12-30-21, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Its about how many Covid-induced deaths there have been in what ammount of time ...

Sure, but what proof exists that all of the people in the photo you posted actually died of Covid? (As opposed to dying with Covid.) Or, for that matter, that any of those people even had Covid at all? For all I know, that could be the result of one weekend of gang violence in NY. Or Detroit ... there's really absolutely nothing in terms of context there.

Skybird · 12-30-21, 02:58 PM

You mean they all sipped from the same jar of rotten mayonnaise and died on it? My goodness, the hygienic conditions in New York are terrible. Or even in normal times so many people die at the same time that the undertakers can no longer keep up and the corpses have to be stored in refrigerated trailers?

Skybird · 12-30-21, 03:16 PM

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-cov-rcna10215

And in Germany, some virologists are cautiously optimistic, saying that possibly Omicron is a turning point and the virus now turns enemdic, meaning it becomes less harmful in symptoms it causes, but more common, like so many other seasonal germs over the year. It could mark the beginning of the return of normality. Almost all medical experts agreed always that this sooner or later would happen, that all virus pandemics turn endemic, it was just so far hard to assess when this would be the case with Covid-19: 2 years, 5 years, more. Well, maybe 2022 already. I am cautiously optimistic.

mapuc · 12-30-21, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-cov-rcna10215

And in Germany, some virologists are cautiously optimistic, saying that possibly Omicron is a turning point and the virus now turns enemdic, meaning it becomes less harmful in symptoms it causes, but more common, like so many other seasonal germs over the year. It could mark the beginning of the return of normality. Almost all medical experts agreed always that this sooner or later would happen, that all virus pandemics turn endemic, it was just so far hard to assess when this would be the case with Covid-19: 2 years, 5 years, more. Well, maybe 2022 already. I am cautiously optimistic.

I hope you and these scientist will be right and it turn into something weaker. like our flu/influenza.

Markus

Skybird · 12-30-21, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

I hope you and these scientist will be right and it turn into something weaker. like our flu/influenza.

Markus

Oh, it will, that has always been clear. The question always only was: when?

Sean C · 12-30-21, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

My goodness, the hygienic conditions in New York are terrible.

Having been there, I can tell you that is an understatement.

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Or even in normal times so many people die at the same time that the undertakers can no longer keep up and the corpses have to be stored in refrigerated trailers?

Welcome to the city that never sleeps. What would you do with 156,405 corpses (428 per day)? Remember that NY has over 27,000 people per square mile.

BTW, having been inside many refrigerated trailers and industrial coolers/freezers, I'm almost certain that picture was taken inside a building and not in a trailer.

Doesn't matter anyway.

mapuc · 12-30-21, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Oh, it will, that has always been clear. The question always only was: when?

I have this inner fear that after the next mutation it will become more deadly than the Delta variant.

That this variant Omicron is what I would call calm before the storm.

Markus

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,726 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Its about how many Covid-induced deaths there have been in what ammount of time, and how crowded the hospitals and morgues were, and how many additional people suffered and died because they could not go to hospital with their issues, or had treatment delayed. Ordinary crime in NY has not bodybags being stockpiled to the ceiling in morgues day in, day out, has it. Crime rate does not compare to it. Traffic accidents not. IN NO WAY. And there were so many cities around the globe like this. On J&J, it simply is not as effective as the other vaccines, that simple it is. It gives a solid but inferior protection against Delta, and less so against Omicron, *and in any case its protections wanes much faster than that of the mRNA vaccines. Thats why quick boostering with an mRNA is strongly recommended, and using J&J is discouraged and by authorities dismissed over here in Germany and other countries, france, iceland. Since this all is so, J&J has a very high rate - for standards of Covid 19 vaccines - of breakthrough infections. This is I think the main reason why it is not used a lot. High rate of breakthrough infections also was the reason why Iceland was the first to stop it completely, I think. My parents got their second jab yesterday, earlier than planned. My father had a very heavy reaction and breakdown and this morning was taken to hospital. He has just been returned two hours ago. Mum said at the farewell there he started an argument with the doctor there about how bad vaccination "obviously" is. The doc was not impressed, said it is not the vaccine but the age-dependign status of his immune system, if he thinks he was bad off, then he could show im around on the COVID ICU station they have (its the Münster university hospital) , then he would see within seconds what being bad off really means and that the risks of a severe vaccination reaction is absolutely minor compared to the risk an old person faces when meeting Mr. Bug unvaccinated - THEN you are "bad off".* I am tempted to go there and thank that doctor personally - since he radically confronted my father, my Dad is silent and calm like a happy lamb. The German Paul Ehrlich institute tracked heavy reactions to vaccination as reported amongst elder people form beginning on. They said in spring for exampel that amognst the millions of jabs given, there were some 300 or 400 reports of reacitions amongst elder people (all mpopulation 1500 or so) and a few died - but only in two such cases there is doubt on that they died not from their age, but for the jab, becasue in that age group you must expect a higher natural mortality anyway. So what they say is they got reports on just two cases at that time that maybe - MAYBE - indicate that the vaccination causally led to the death of the patient. Beyond that, you need to expect less effectiveness and a higher rate of reactions to vaccinaiton the older the people are. You see that with EVERY vaccination against VERY desease. For a short time I felt guilt today, of course, but no more. Mind soon took over from the heart, and that is good so. When Mr. Bug meets my father, my father has tremedously raised chances to survive that meeting now. Having one bad day is not too high a price for this dramatic gain, and my father is 77, had at least one - minor - stroke, probably already more before that just were not recognised, and until earlier this years was a diabetic and hypertonic. My Mum got two free rides, no reactions whatever, she was better off than I were after my first two. She felt nothing! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 12-30-21 at 01:16 PM.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,726 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	You mean they all sipped from the same jar of rotten mayonnaise and died on it? My goodness, the hygienic conditions in New York are terrible. Or even in normal times so many people die at the same time that the undertakers can no longer keep up and the corpses have to be stored in refrigerated trailers? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,726 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-cov-rcna10215 And in Germany, some virologists are cautiously optimistic, saying that possibly Omicron is a turning point and the virus now turns enemdic, meaning it becomes less harmful in symptoms it causes, but more common, like so many other seasonal germs over the year. It could mark the beginning of the return of normality. Almost all medical experts agreed always that this sooner or later would happen, that all virus pandemics turn endemic, it was just so far hard to assess when this would be the case with Covid-19: 2 years, 5 years, more. Well, maybe 2022 already. I am cautiously optimistic. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.