US Politics Thread 2021-24 - Page 195

Gorpet · 12-12-21, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Oh brother, IMO this is evidence Democrats rig elections. Really, how else could it be possible these blithering idiots got elected? If not rigged it sure says a lot about Democrat voters and Bidenettes.

Well if we group the leaders that get attention by age.And stance in the world
Putin..69 KGB President
XI Jinping.. 68 Minister of State Security/CCP Current President
Joe biden..79 President USA Politician
Nancy Pelosi..81 Leader of Democrats USA Politician
Chuck Schumer..71 Under boss of the Democrats USA Politician
Mitch McConnell.. 71 AKA"The Turtle" Rhino USA Politician

It looks like there are only 2 leaders in my list that do not need votes to stay in office. And if you think these 0ld power mongers can't rig anything they want, drive down here and get into a bingo game at the local Retirement Community. It's called The Villages in Florida. The story's of this place are true.

Gorpet · 12-13-21, 01:33 AM

Ok i can see, Clearly now I can't drop back in here 7-or more days later. Cause i miss a response. So i joined the rest of America quit my job and got an LLC. And now i work for myself and the local Gov. in the future, they say i will get a uniform and a baton.
Right now though my new job will be to ride around on a electric bicycle with small embedded cameras and get pics of license plates in apartment complexes and as far as i can ride thru housing projects. Hell i will get 15.00 an hour and my social security is safe. I will be a convert and i belive in Allah, can't wait to get my uniform and my new baton!
If i hit you with the voltage you will drop to the ground. They say cause im old man, no gun but if they resist there will be a kill selector on the baton.I'm like hell ya at 65 i can go another 10 years. Just keep giving me those booster shots.And long live Rashida Tlaib .The best future for a American man is to accept the Koran. Then you can reclaim your dignity and never lose another daughter unless they are paid for.Anyway hell yes i look forward to The Future.

Buddahaid · 12-13-21, 01:49 AM

Welcome aboard. See the steward for your berth....

Skybird · 12-13-21, 11:10 AM

The coup d'etat that almost succeeded.

A tale not from some third world banana republic, but from "here".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...capitol-attack

Really surprised I am not, I always saw the storm on the capitol and the political manouvers of the Grand Orange Party around it (pre and post) as an attempted coup and a plot to steal the election. That still no heads are rolling shows how deeply eroded the fundaments of the political system is.

"Clear and present danger." The enemy is not before the gates, but inside the city, in strength, and controlling strategic keyposts.

They lost this battle. The war goes on, more bitter than before. The US is under siege from within.

August · 12-13-21, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

The coup d'etat that almost succeeded.

A tale not from some third world banana republic, but from "here".

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...capitol-attack

Really surprised I am not, I always saw the storm on the capitol and the political manouvers of the Grand Orange Party around it (pre and post) as an attempted coup and a plot to steal the election. That still no heads are rolling shows how deeply eroded the fundaments of the political system is.

"Clear and present danger." The enemy is not before the gates, but inside the city, in strength, and controlling strategic keyposts.

They lost this battle. The war goes on, more bitter than before. The US is under siege from within.

So the democrats and their commie allies claim.

If the American people really wanted to overthrow the federal government we would have easily done so. To pretend that January 6th was anything but a political rally that got a little out of hand (with FBI incitement) is to be the fool the lefties want you to be.

Skybird · 12-14-21, 07:17 AM

The Süddeutsche Zeitung comments:

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US Secretary of State Antony Blinken travels through Southeast Asia, in a keynote address in Jakarta he warns of an aggressive China. But what does Washington actually have to offer the states?

So Jakarta. It's not a coincidence. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken chose Indonesia to deliver his keynote address on strategy in the Indo-Pacific on Tuesday morning. It is the most populous country in Southeast Asia and one that maintains a noticeable distance from Beijing. That alone makes the state increasingly interesting for Washington.

Blinken wrapped his speech as a great promise to keep the Indo-Pacific region "free and open", but of course he knows that he needs reliable partners in the region for this. In fact, the Philippines have been the region's closest ally for a long time. But the erratic policies of President Rodrigo Duterte, who repeatedly rocked back and forth between Beijing and Washington in recent years, has increasingly irritated Washington. Reliability looks different.

Indonesia, on the other hand, is a country that insists on a very independent foreign policy. And so it would be an exaggeration to say that the country is already a close ally of the United States. The only thing that is certain is that Washington is very eager to find a closer relationship. Which is why Blinken made his first stop here on his trip through Southeast Asia before continuing on to Malaysia and Thailand.

The whole trip will revolve around the core of American interest: Washington is looking for a way to counter the expansive tendencies of the largest Asian power, China. In his speech on Tuesday morning, Blinken was very open about the concerns, as the Americans are observing in the region: "There is so much concern - from Northeast Asia to Southeast Asia, on the Mekong River and in the Pacific Islands - about Beijing's aggressive actions" .

China claims "open sea", by which he means the maritime disputes in Southeast Asia, China distorts the open markets by subsidizing its state-owned companies. He depicts a China that poses a threat to traffic in the South China Sea, an area through which three trillion dollars of goods are transported every year.

"We are determined to ensure free navigation in the South China Sea", promised Blinken, the USA would deepen its alliances in the region and also close "gaps in the infrastructure"; an indication that the USA not only want to and will be present militarily, but that it would also like to become more involved economically in the future in order to maintain its traditional role as a Pacific power of order.

Blinken promised a status quo, "without coercion and intimidation" and on the "basis of rules", in short: "a free and open Indo-Pacific", although the audience in the region might accept such promises with some skepticism. The experience of recent years has already painted a different picture: China has consistently and regardless of its neighbors built artificial islands in the South China Sea, Taiwan is threatened, and it is militarizing maritime zones, regardless of rival territorial claims that smaller neighboring states are making, all of them first the Philippines and Vietnam. They are doing this on the basis of international law of the sea, which Beijing largely ignores.

Even Indonesia, which has no further claims in the South China Sea, was stimulated by China with brisk fishing fleet maneuvers off the Natuna Islands, which could increase Jakarta's interest in good connections to the USA. At the same time, however, the very rude Aukus deal on nuclear-powered submarines for Australia caused displeasure in Jakarta. Indonesia feels run over. The USA must therefore carefully approach its Indonesian partner. Above all, however, they must also offer something economically, which, by the way, applies to all of China's neighboring countries. They want to know: What are the benefits of the US alliance? And they all want better access to the US market.

Despite Jakarta's political distance from Beijing, the country's elites are well aware of how much they depend on Chinese investments to advance their country. This was also shown by the pandemic in which Jakarta was almost exclusively dependent on Chinese vaccine deliveries. Since September, the Americans have given away almost eight million doses of Biontech / Pfizer vaccine to Indonesia and, as Indonesian Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi put it, are otherwise showing a "strong commitment". However, she also attached importance to the statement that there had to be "concrete cooperation" that would benefit both sides.

The Biden government should know very well how much the Americans have to catch up. Asia expert Michael Jonathan Green recently gave a sobering answer when he remarked that Washington’s economic policy in these countries has so far been akin to a "Thanksgiving dinner without a turkey". A bit of cranberry sauce and filling, but nothing more. In other words, the US did not provide enough economic incentives to deepen ties. Quite different from the Chinese, who - to stay in the image of Green - distributed a lot of meat to keep the neighbors weighed or to appease them.

Washington must first repair the trust and connections that Donald Trump has shattered as President. At that time, he defiantly withdrew from the trans-Pacific economic pact TPP, which Obama had ambitiously initiated. The USA could not have provided Beijing with a nicer step forward; China used the vacuum to expand its own economic networks. The fact that Biden is now changing course again may be strategically overdue, but it is unlikely that he will be able to warm the US back to the TPP pact. The domestic political resistance in the USA to the trade pact is great.

America's strategists are trying to forge special economic partnerships with individual states in the region, just as they are currently negotiating with Malaysia in the semiconductor industry.
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https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/...hina-1.5487381

Whatever they maybe will acchieve, from 2024 on I fear it all will be shattered again. Lets face it: alliances with America are no longer that attractive as they once have appeared to be. And the question of whether they can be trusted if being tested fpr real by conflict and threat, is highly questionable when it comes to the real big conflicts there are. I cannot see the US willing to embark on really big serious wars against Russia or China, and even a enduring milirary operaiton to destroy nculears weapons on Iran I already have very strong doubts on: might be possible, but I do not see it. Not under Biden, not under the Donald.

A bit of cranberry sauce and filling, but no turkey - yes, that describes the US diplomacy well.

Rockstar · 12-14-21, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

The Süddeutsche Zeitung comments:

----------------------------... At that time, he defiantly withdrew from the trans-Pacific economic pact TPP, which Obama had ambitiously initiated. The USA could not have provided Beijing with a nicer step forward; China used the vacuum to expand its own economic networks. The fact that Biden is now changing course again may be strategically overdue, but it is unlikely that he will be able to warm the US back to the TPP pact. The domestic political resistance in the USA to the trade pact is great.

Both presidential candidates Donald Trump AND Hillary Clinton opposed then TPP. Wonder what the bandwagon would be promoting had Clinton told the TPP to pack sand.

In fact I don’t really give a rats arse about the TPP and even less about China. It’s a paper tiger it’s economy like all communist socialist state run planned economies is tanking and tanking hard. It can’t compete with us.

We just approved a 780,000,000,000 dollar military spending budget more than ALL of the major militaries in the world combined. Plus we have a pretty damn good standard of living. Ya there’s some in the news who think they’re owed but they can go live in China or Germany if they don’t like it here.

Skybird · 12-14-21, 11:39 AM

^ Your forget to mention your - even just explicit - debts worth 28 trillion last year. Your glory is build on debt, you live on tic. If implicit debts are calculated (the unavoidable future debts thatr esult form the status as is in the present and the poresent debts and obligations manifestating in the future, you can multiply that with a factor ranging somewhere between 3.5 and 4.5 - conservatively estimated.

Only the dollar status saves you. Once that is gone, you are toast. Its a huge Ponzi scheme.

BTW, only after WW2 have the debts in the US ever been this high, cleaned for inflational effects.

Skybird · 12-14-21, 11:41 AM

"'We need an Oval office address. He has to lead now. It has gone too far and gotten out of hand. [...] He's got to condemn this **** ASAP..." - The Donald's Mini-Me

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59650800

Rockstar · 12-14-21, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

^ Your forget to mention your - even just explicit - debts worth 28 trillion last year. Your glory is build on debt, you live on tic. If implicit debts are calculated (the unavoidable future debts thatr esult form the status as is in the present and the poresent debts and obligations manifestating in the future, you can multiply that with a factor ranging somewhere between 3.5 and 4.5 - conservatively estimated.

Only the dollar status saves you. Once that is gone, you are toast. Its a huge Ponzi scheme.

BTW, only after WW2 have the debts in the US ever been this high, cleaned for inflational effects.

28 trillion is a lot and no doubt this government could be doing a better job. Unfortunately voters are totally enamored with blue anon and q anon conspiracy theories to really care about reality. But looking at the big picture 28 trillion is peanuts compared to our 204.5 trillion in assets. But there are other factors that chip away and take chunks out that 204.5 trillion figure too. But I can survive in the wilderness when it all comes crashing down.

Skybird · 12-14-21, 12:25 PM

Pay back your debts then, if you can, then we talk. Shouldn't be a problem. I only wonder why then you have violated the treaty of Bretton Woods. You shouldn't have needed to do it, if it were so true and simple as you said.

No state corrupts its currency as long as the "money" it has still is sufficient to keep illusions alive. The corruption occurs not before the illusion is in danger of collapsing.

Rockstar · 12-14-21, 12:35 PM

German debt: You could wrap $100 bills would wrap around the planet 151 times.
Debt per German citizen: $29,701 (u.s. dollars)

U.S. debt: You could wrap $100 bills would wrap around the planet 697 times.
Debt per U.S. citizen: $64,814 (u.s. dollars)

Doesn’t seem either government is representing the will of the people that much. Anyway, let’s get back to talking about more conspiracy theories. I feel more in control in my life when I do.

Catfish · 12-14-21, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

[...]Doesn’t seem either government is representing the will of the people that much.

Seems to be a precondition for all governments.. but then who knows the "will of the people" if those do not even know it themselves. Because of being just too lazy and disinterested in this boring democracy, or because most do not have the overall picture. You cannot tighten a screw here without influencing other settings.

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Anyway, let’s get back to talking about more conspiracy theories. I feel more in control in my life when I do.

August · 12-14-21, 05:03 PM

Skybird has been posting his tic-tok fantasies about our imminent financial doom for almost 20 years that I know of. You could probably find the posts if the archives go back far enough. Bottom line is he ain't been right yet of course, but it does warm my heart to know how much our continued national survival really bugs him that he keeps bringing it up.

Thing is we were here before his little country was artificially created and we'll be here long after it has vanished and still living on "tic".

Bilge_Rat · 12-15-21, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

The coup d'etat that almost succeeded.

Only the most rabid Trump-haters see any evidence of a Coup. MSM has been going nuts over this, but anyone who knows anything will tell you Powerpoint presentations, lawyers memo, contingency plans, etc. mean nothing. It is perfectly standard for anyone to explore ALL the options which are legally available.

What matters is what happened... nothing, Trump did not put any of that in motion.

What you had was a riot by a bunch of morons, nothing more and nothing less.

The only reason why the Dems and MSM are going nuts is because they realise that:

1. They will almost certainly lose the House and Senate in 2022; and

2. It also looks likely that Biden (or whoever the nominee is) will lose in 2024 either to Trump or more likely to whoever the GOP nominee is.

All this stuff that is coming out now is a last ditch desparate effort to change the narrative and somehow hold off the impending election disaster, but that ship has sailed IMHO.

12-13-21, 01:33 AM	#2912
Gorpet Still Searching Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: A country in Evolution Posts: 1,038 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Being a part of the Family Ok i can see, Clearly now I can't drop back in here 7-or more days later. Cause i miss a response. So i joined the rest of America quit my job and got an LLC. And now i work for myself and the local Gov. in the future, they say i will get a uniform and a baton. Right now though my new job will be to ride around on a electric bicycle with small embedded cameras and get pics of license plates in apartment complexes and as far as i can ride thru housing projects. Hell i will get 15.00 an hour and my social security is safe. I will be a convert and i belive in Allah, can't wait to get my uniform and my new baton! If i hit you with the voltage you will drop to the ground. They say cause im old man, no gun but if they resist there will be a kill selector on the baton.I'm like hell ya at 65 i can go another 10 years. Just keep giving me those booster shots.And long live Rashida Tlaib .The best future for a American man is to accept the Koran. Then you can reclaim your dignity and never lose another daughter unless they are paid for.Anyway hell yes i look forward to The Future.

12-13-21, 01:49 AM	#2913
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,333 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard. See the steward for your berth.... __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

12-13-21, 11:10 AM	#2914
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,749 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The coup d'etat that almost succeeded. A tale not from some third world banana republic, but from "here". https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...capitol-attack Really surprised I am not, I always saw the storm on the capitol and the political manouvers of the Grand Orange Party around it (pre and post) as an attempted coup and a plot to steal the election. That still no heads are rolling shows how deeply eroded the fundaments of the political system is. "Clear and present danger." The enemy is not before the gates, but inside the city, in strength, and controlling strategic keyposts. They lost this battle. The war goes on, more bitter than before. The US is under siege from within. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-14-21, 07:17 AM	#2916
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,749 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The Süddeutsche Zeitung comments: ---------------------------- US Secretary of State Antony Blinken travels through Southeast Asia, in a keynote address in Jakarta he warns of an aggressive China. But what does Washington actually have to offer the states? So Jakarta. It's not a coincidence. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken chose Indonesia to deliver his keynote address on strategy in the Indo-Pacific on Tuesday morning. It is the most populous country in Southeast Asia and one that maintains a noticeable distance from Beijing. That alone makes the state increasingly interesting for Washington. Blinken wrapped his speech as a great promise to keep the Indo-Pacific region "free and open", but of course he knows that he needs reliable partners in the region for this. In fact, the Philippines have been the region's closest ally for a long time. But the erratic policies of President Rodrigo Duterte, who repeatedly rocked back and forth between Beijing and Washington in recent years, has increasingly irritated Washington. Reliability looks different. Indonesia, on the other hand, is a country that insists on a very independent foreign policy. And so it would be an exaggeration to say that the country is already a close ally of the United States. The only thing that is certain is that Washington is very eager to find a closer relationship. Which is why Blinken made his first stop here on his trip through Southeast Asia before continuing on to Malaysia and Thailand. The whole trip will revolve around the core of American interest: Washington is looking for a way to counter the expansive tendencies of the largest Asian power, China. In his speech on Tuesday morning, Blinken was very open about the concerns, as the Americans are observing in the region: "There is so much concern - from Northeast Asia to Southeast Asia, on the Mekong River and in the Pacific Islands - about Beijing's aggressive actions" . China claims "open sea", by which he means the maritime disputes in Southeast Asia, China distorts the open markets by subsidizing its state-owned companies. He depicts a China that poses a threat to traffic in the South China Sea, an area through which three trillion dollars of goods are transported every year. "We are determined to ensure free navigation in the South China Sea", promised Blinken, the USA would deepen its alliances in the region and also close "gaps in the infrastructure"; an indication that the USA not only want to and will be present militarily, but that it would also like to become more involved economically in the future in order to maintain its traditional role as a Pacific power of order. Blinken promised a status quo, "without coercion and intimidation" and on the "basis of rules", in short: "a free and open Indo-Pacific", although the audience in the region might accept such promises with some skepticism. The experience of recent years has already painted a different picture: China has consistently and regardless of its neighbors built artificial islands in the South China Sea, Taiwan is threatened, and it is militarizing maritime zones, regardless of rival territorial claims that smaller neighboring states are making, all of them first the Philippines and Vietnam. They are doing this on the basis of international law of the sea, which Beijing largely ignores. Even Indonesia, which has no further claims in the South China Sea, was stimulated by China with brisk fishing fleet maneuvers off the Natuna Islands, which could increase Jakarta's interest in good connections to the USA. At the same time, however, the very rude Aukus deal on nuclear-powered submarines for Australia caused displeasure in Jakarta. Indonesia feels run over. The USA must therefore carefully approach its Indonesian partner. Above all, however, they must also offer something economically, which, by the way, applies to all of China's neighboring countries. They want to know: What are the benefits of the US alliance? And they all want better access to the US market. Despite Jakarta's political distance from Beijing, the country's elites are well aware of how much they depend on Chinese investments to advance their country. This was also shown by the pandemic in which Jakarta was almost exclusively dependent on Chinese vaccine deliveries. Since September, the Americans have given away almost eight million doses of Biontech / Pfizer vaccine to Indonesia and, as Indonesian Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi put it, are otherwise showing a "strong commitment". However, she also attached importance to the statement that there had to be "concrete cooperation" that would benefit both sides. The Biden government should know very well how much the Americans have to catch up. Asia expert Michael Jonathan Green recently gave a sobering answer when he remarked that Washington’s economic policy in these countries has so far been akin to a "Thanksgiving dinner without a turkey". A bit of cranberry sauce and filling, but nothing more. In other words, the US did not provide enough economic incentives to deepen ties. Quite different from the Chinese, who - to stay in the image of Green - distributed a lot of meat to keep the neighbors weighed or to appease them. Washington must first repair the trust and connections that Donald Trump has shattered as President. At that time, he defiantly withdrew from the trans-Pacific economic pact TPP, which Obama had ambitiously initiated. The USA could not have provided Beijing with a nicer step forward; China used the vacuum to expand its own economic networks. The fact that Biden is now changing course again may be strategically overdue, but it is unlikely that he will be able to warm the US back to the TPP pact. The domestic political resistance in the USA to the trade pact is great. America's strategists are trying to forge special economic partnerships with individual states in the region, just as they are currently negotiating with Malaysia in the semiconductor industry. ----------------------------------- https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/...hina-1.5487381 Whatever they maybe will acchieve, from 2024 on I fear it all will be shattered again. Lets face it: alliances with America are no longer that attractive as they once have appeared to be. And the question of whether they can be trusted if being tested fpr real by conflict and threat, is highly questionable when it comes to the real big conflicts there are. I cannot see the US willing to embark on really big serious wars against Russia or China, and even a enduring milirary operaiton to destroy nculears weapons on Iran I already have very strong doubts on: might be possible, but I do not see it. Not under Biden, not under the Donald. A bit of cranberry sauce and filling, but no turkey - yes, that describes the US diplomacy well. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-14-21, 11:39 AM	#2918
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,749 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	^ Your forget to mention your - even just explicit - debts worth 28 trillion last year. Your glory is build on debt, you live on tic. If implicit debts are calculated (the unavoidable future debts thatr esult form the status as is in the present and the poresent debts and obligations manifestating in the future, you can multiply that with a factor ranging somewhere between 3.5 and 4.5 - conservatively estimated. Only the dollar status saves you. Once that is gone, you are toast. Its a huge Ponzi scheme. BTW, only after WW2 have the debts in the US ever been this high, cleaned for inflational effects. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-14-21, 11:41 AM	#2919
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,749 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	"'We need an Oval office address. He has to lead now. It has gone too far and gotten out of hand. [...] He's got to condemn this *** ASAP..."* - The Donald's Mini-Me https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59650800 __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-14-21, 12:25 PM	#2921
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,749 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Pay back your debts then, if you can, then we talk. Shouldn't be a problem. I only wonder why then you have violated the treaty of Bretton Woods. You shouldn't have needed to do it, if it were so true and simple as you said. No state corrupts its currency as long as the "money" it has still is sufficient to keep illusions alive. The corruption occurs not before the illusion is in danger of collapsing. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-14-21, 12:35 PM	#2922
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	German debt: You could wrap $100 bills would wrap around the planet 151 times. Debt per German citizen: $29,701 (u.s. dollars) U.S. debt: You could wrap $100 bills would wrap around the planet 697 times. Debt per U.S. citizen: $64,814 (u.s. dollars) Doesn’t seem either government is representing the will of the people that much. Anyway, let’s get back to talking about more conspiracy theories. I feel more in control in my life when I do.

12-14-21, 05:03 PM	#2924
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,244 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Skybird has been posting his tic-tok fantasies about our imminent financial doom for almost 20 years that I know of. You could probably find the posts if the archives go back far enough. Bottom line is he ain't been right yet of course, but it does warm my heart to know how much our continued national survival really bugs him that he keeps bringing it up. Thing is we were here before his little country was artificially created and we'll be here long after it has vanished and still living on "tic". __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.