[REL] Dark Waters

propbeanie · 11-16-21, 01:06 PM

Excellent! Just remember though, that it might not be "Success!" just yet.. With one of my edits, it showed my base change, but when I went to dock, it would not give the prompt to End Patrol, only re-fit. Another time, a CTD was there to greet me. Either result could mean an incomplete or incorrect edit though, of course, and just ask strikeback, or CapnScurvy or Rockin Robbins - I am known for my penchant to create CTDs at the drop of a hat, or comma or semi-colon in this case... lol

KaleunMarco · 11-16-21, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

Excellent! Just remember though, that it might not be "Success!" just yet.. With one of my edits, it showed my base change, but when I went to dock, it would not give the prompt to End Patrol, only re-fit. Another time, a CTD was there to greet me. Either result could mean an incomplete or incorrect edit though, of course, and just ask strikeback, or CapnScurvy or Rockin Robbins - I am known for my penchant to create CTDs at the drop of a hat, or comma or semi-colon in this case... lol

yes. i know exactly what you mean.
i am less afraid of the typo and more afraid of a CTD because i made a change to a game parameter mid-mission....which is why i made this change with tepidity.
i am signing off now to complete the mission.

update: we made it. we played a trick and got away with it. now we can finish this verdampt war sailing from Bergen to Scotland every 6-8 weeks. Norse winters are a bItch, i hear.

propbeanie · 11-16-21, 10:19 PM

Really nice... glad it worked! Any edits needed besides the one?

KaleunMarco · 11-17-21, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

Really nice... glad it worked! Any edits needed besides the one?

the only edit was replacing the NULL(s) in Flotilla.
as you suggested in your previous post, SH4 assigns values to NULL that are not necessarily what we might think are appropriate.
entering absolute dates within the bounds of the Base dates seems to be critical, especially for the expiration date of the boat.
what i am really surprised about is that i was able to make a change to a system file, during a mission, and did not get sent to the Land of CTD for doing so.
shocking.
but, i'll take it and say thank you, very much may i have another....which i probably won't get.

[Flotilla 5.UserPlayerUnitType 1]
ID= F5VIIC
NameDisplayable= Type VIIC U-boat
AvailabilityInterval= 1941-10-02, 1944-08-30
IDLinkUserPlayerUnitType= VIIC
UnitTypeCommonality= 5
IDFlotillaLinkTransferTo= 11Flotilla_BERGEN

propbeanie · 11-17-21, 02:49 PM

You might also notice that if a CareerStart.upc is set for a period of 15 January to 17 January of a given year, that you will actually sail on the 18th of the month. Along those lines, one thing of the Flotillas file that we have also found, is that if a Command begins on say December 12, 1943, and you set the Sub to NULL, NULL, it is actually "active" as far as mission assignments go, two days prior, on December 10. The NULL on the Base and Boat, as well as Objective mission assignments do work, but can lead to issues. Doing the dates wrong though, can lead to CTDs... This is why you will see some of the subs in FotRSU that start December 7, 1941, have December 1 mission assignments. If they aren't in-place prior to the start date, nothing is assigned, and you most likely CTD. This is also why the New Construction can fail, in that you HAVE to have an active assignment, but the game might give you 14 days, or it might give 24 days "rest" at the home port. To play it safe, the assignments are usually done for a short rest, you then "skip either the 2nd or 3rd assignment in New Construction, and/or any "automatic" transfer fails. We have suspected the "end" of a Command / Base / Boat is similar in the Date, but sometimes all NULLs do function as intended... you just never know. It is advisable though, to have the Command and / or Base end the day AFTER a boat leaves, so that the boat does transfer properly. However, again, we have seen that if a player is on "rest" in-base at the time, it is a crapshoot (roll of the dice) as to what will happen... In theory, you will transfer while you sleep, having gone to bed in Pallice, and awaken then in Bergen... Who brought your boat over?? You still get a Pallice assignment first though... Coming back in: Next Mission assignment, then upgrades / awards, then transfers... maybe

11-16-21, 01:06 PM	#1
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,129 Downloads: 452 Uploads: 4	Excellent! Just remember though, that it might not be "Success!" just yet.. With one of my edits, it showed my base change, but when I went to dock, it would not give the prompt to End Patrol, only re-fit. Another time, a CTD was there to greet me. Either result could mean an incomplete or incorrect edit though, of course, and just ask strikeback, or CapnScurvy or Rockin Robbins - I am known for my penchant to create CTDs at the drop of a hat, or comma or semi-colon in this case... lol __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

11-16-21, 10:19 PM	#3
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,129 Downloads: 452 Uploads: 4	Really nice... glad it worked! Any edits needed besides the one? __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

11-17-21, 02:49 PM	#5
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,129 Downloads: 452 Uploads: 4	You might also notice that if a CareerStart.upc is set for a period of 15 January to 17 January of a given year, that you will actually sail on the 18th of the month. Along those lines, one thing of the Flotillas file that we have also found, is that if a Command begins on say December 12, 1943, and you set the Sub to NULL, NULL, it is actually "active" as far as mission assignments go, two days prior, on December 10. The NULL on the Base and Boat, as well as Objective mission assignments do work, but can lead to issues. Doing the dates wrong though, can lead to CTDs... This is why you will see some of the subs in FotRSU that start December 7, 1941, have December 1 mission assignments. If they aren't in-place prior to the start date, nothing is assigned, and you most likely CTD. This is also why the New Construction can fail, in that you HAVE to have an active assignment, but the game might give you 14 days, or it might give 24 days "rest" at the home port. To play it safe, the assignments are usually done for a short rest, you then "skip either the 2nd or 3rd assignment in New Construction, and/or any "automatic" transfer fails. We have suspected the "end" of a Command / Base / Boat is similar in the Date, but sometimes all NULLs do function as intended... you just never know. It is advisable though, to have the Command and / or Base end the day AFTER a boat leaves, so that the boat does transfer properly. However, again, we have seen that if a player is on "rest" in-base at the time, it is a crapshoot (roll of the dice) as to what will happen... In theory, you will transfer while you sleep, having gone to bed in Pallice, and awaken then in Bergen... Who brought your boat over?? You still get a Pallice assignment first though... Coming back in: Next Mission assignment, then upgrades / awards, then transfers... maybe __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna