Europe's migrant problem

mapuc · 11-09-21, 10:19 AM

I agree with Skybird on this issue.

Since EU can't gather an united voice against this immigration problems. Each member has to deal with the problem them self.

Sweden want other members to open their doors fully. Germany has the same politics If I remember correctly.

Denmark says they want EU to stop or lower the number of Immigrants entering EU each year.

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Skybird · 11-09-21, 11:23 AM

The EU is a hypocrite. It laments endlessly about human rights - and looks away when pushbacks at borders occur, since these in fact are highly welcomed. Many EUcrats have very well understood that they cannot let all these masses of foreigners in, but still they endlessly moralise about how necessarily it is to do right this. At home, when nobody sees them, they sigh in relief that some states keep the borders guarded and push the foreign masses back.

Its necessary to confront the stupid Zeitgeist and talk the talk where the deed already is: stop moralising and lecturing others how bad they are if they protect the borders, but saying loud and clear that this is what masses of foreign migrants - that want to blackmail European states with their sheer numbers and their mere presence - have to expect: that they will not be let in, no matter what.

"We are too many."

Belarus has lowered prices for air tickets by which migrants can fly towards the Polish border. Lukashenko has established an airline just to amass migrants in as huge numbers as possible at the border. The Polish speak of hybrid warfare. And they are right. Demography and migration are weapons of hybrid warfare. I say this since years.

And nobody has put in words what this actually implies. It means that Belarus already has declared and is waging war against several NATO members, and the EU.

Lets lower the iron curtain again. Stop forcing together what does not work well together. It makes no sense to state a border - and then not enforce it. Its a contradiction in itself.

Kapitan · 11-09-21, 11:56 AM

If the EU doesn't do something as a collective then faith in the EU will diminish, not only that on the international stage it will bee seen as a weak union.
The current covid debacle with vaccine roll out etc with the EU and now immigration crisis in many countries will ultimately lead to the far right gaining traction and support.

I have seen this in Denmark and Sweden as far back as 2016, to be honest a lot of ordinary people are getting very annoyed and switching from traditional central parties or left of central to more extreme parties on the right.

Don't forget it was Sweden that really took the first stand against the EU by announcing it would deport up to 80,000 migrants, Finland followed with up to 32,000.
In both countries at the time there was high anti EU sentiment going around this issue is a hot potato.

Sweden also suspended its membership of the Schengen area because of this issue along with terrorism, its why now you have to show ID or passport on the border, I do foresee other countries following suit if they haven't already.

snak3gam3r! · 11-09-21, 12:48 PM

The Eu is never quick about making any decision and springing into action. It's sad because there are things in this world that require decisiveness so things can get done.

mapuc · 11-09-21, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

If the EU doesn't do something as a collective then faith in the EU will diminish, not only that on the international stage it will bee seen as a weak union.
The current covid debacle with vaccine roll out etc with the EU and now immigration crisis in many countries will ultimately lead to the far right gaining traction and support.

I have seen this in Denmark and Sweden as far back as 2016, to be honest a lot of ordinary people are getting very annoyed and switching from traditional central parties or left of central to more extreme parties on the right.

Don't forget it was Sweden that really took the first stand against the EU by announcing it would deport up to 80,000 migrants, Finland followed with up to 32,000.
In both countries at the time there was high anti EU sentiment going around this issue is a hot potato.

Sweden also suspended its membership of the Schengen area because of this issue along with terrorism, its why now you have to show ID or passport on the border, I do foresee other countries following suit if they haven't already.

Made a search in Swedish to see if Sweden had left Schengen and according to page I entered they haven't

About these 80,000 migrants Sweden wanted to deport has come to a standstill. In a Swedish news article from 2017 it says.

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The work of deporting people from Sweden who have had their asylum application finally rejected has come to a standstill. There are no detention centers available to put people in, who have been taken into custody by the police while waiting for the deportation to take place. Therefore, the work of caring for people for deportation has in practice ceased. Police officers who are to work with this, ie track down and take care of people for deportation, are allowed to sit and roll their thumbs in the office instead, according to sources at the police who I spoke to recently.

The rest of the article is about the Swedish election in 2018.

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Kapitan · 11-09-21, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

Made a search in Swedish to see if Sweden had left Schengen and according to page I entered they haven't

About these 80,000 migrants Sweden wanted to deport has come to a standpoint. In a Swedish news article from 2017 it says.

The rest of the article is about the Swedish election in 2018.

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I know they have suspended Schengen conditions as far back as 2016 even have a picture at the rail station notice board which threw me at the time, I used to get the Oerstadt across. ( this is from 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-from-denmark )

I used to spend a lot of time in Copenhagen and go for lunch or dinner in Sweden Malmo usually (Texas long horn)

While i think they remain party to the treaty they have introduced border controls between EU to EU countries (Sweden) which in my mind basically renders the agreement dead.

As for the migrants i know they did deport around 16,000 if i remember the news papers correctly.

mapuc · 11-09-21, 01:23 PM

Aha the condition I thought they had suspended their membership.

Denmark has done the same-imposed Id/passport check at the German Danish border.

You are correct Sweden had planned on deport 80,000 and still have.

Markus

Jimbuna · 11-09-21, 02:40 PM

The UK is no longer in the EU and look at the waves of uninvited we see coming every day.

I wonder which country they leave from

11-09-21, 10:19 AM	#1
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,624 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I agree with Skybird on this issue. Since EU can't gather an united voice against this immigration problems. Each member has to deal with the problem them self. Sweden want other members to open their doors fully. Germany has the same politics If I remember correctly. Denmark says they want EU to stop or lower the number of Immigrants entering EU each year. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

11-09-21, 11:23 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,792 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The EU is a hypocrite. It laments endlessly about human rights - and looks away when pushbacks at borders occur, since these in fact are highly welcomed. Many EUcrats have very well understood that they cannot let all these masses of foreigners in, but still they endlessly moralise about how necessarily it is to do right this. At home, when nobody sees them, they sigh in relief that some states keep the borders guarded and push the foreign masses back. Its necessary to confront the stupid Zeitgeist and talk the talk where the deed already is: stop moralising and lecturing others how bad they are if they protect the borders, but saying loud and clear that this is what masses of foreign migrants - that want to blackmail European states with their sheer numbers and their mere presence - have to expect: that they will not be let in, no matter what. "We are too many." Belarus has lowered prices for air tickets by which migrants can fly towards the Polish border. Lukashenko has established an airline just to amass migrants in as huge numbers as possible at the border. The Polish speak of hybrid warfare. And they are right. Demography and migration *are* weapons of hybrid warfare. I say this since years. And nobody has put in words what this actually implies. It means that Belarus already has declared and is waging war against several NATO members, and the EU. Lets lower the iron curtain again. Stop forcing together what does not work well together. It makes no sense to state a border - and then not enforce it. Its a contradiction in itself. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-09-21, 11:56 AM	#3
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,134 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	If the EU doesn't do something as a collective then faith in the EU will diminish, not only that on the international stage it will bee seen as a weak union. The current covid debacle with vaccine roll out etc with the EU and now immigration crisis in many countries will ultimately lead to the far right gaining traction and support. I have seen this in Denmark and Sweden as far back as 2016, to be honest a lot of ordinary people are getting very annoyed and switching from traditional central parties or left of central to more extreme parties on the right. Don't forget it was Sweden that really took the first stand against the EU by announcing it would deport up to 80,000 migrants, Finland followed with up to 32,000. In both countries at the time there was high anti EU sentiment going around this issue is a hot potato. Sweden also suspended its membership of the Schengen area because of this issue along with terrorism, its why now you have to show ID or passport on the border, I do foresee other countries following suit if they haven't already. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

11-09-21, 01:23 PM	#7
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,624 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Aha the condition I thought they had suspended their membership. Denmark has done the same-imposed Id/passport check at the German Danish border. You are correct Sweden had planned on deport 80,000 and still have. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

11-09-21, 02:40 PM	#8
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,357 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The UK is no longer in the EU and look at the waves of uninvited we see coming every day. I wonder which country they leave from __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-09-21, 12:48 PM	#4
snak3gam3r! Swabbie Join Date: Mar 2021 Posts: 13 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The Eu is never quick about making any decision and springing into action. It's sad because there are things in this world that require decisiveness so things can get done.