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mmm... I am confident that at some point we will find some pictures confirming the presence of ships in company colours within convoys, but it seems to me that the first two photographs were digitally colorized (if so, I would be curious to see the B/W originals).
The last picture seem original though, but all the portrayed ships look to me as being plain grey, except for the vessels on the center left - probably an auxiliary vessel - which sports a dazzle pattern. |
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@ kapuhy I have finally found the B/W originals of the "suspect" pictures you had posted before.
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Lancastrian Prince, owned by Prince Line (Furnes, Withy & Co.) New Westminster City, owned by Reardon Smith Line Esneh, owned by Moss Hutchinson Line Trehata, owned by Hain Steamship Co. Llanstephan Castle, owned by Union Castle Line Alchiba, owned by Van Nievelt, Goudriaan & Co. Add to them RFA Aldersdale (Admiralty-owned fleet oiler). Discarding for obvious reasons the latter, a quick internet research tells me that neither of the above shipping copanies used a similar funnel pattern. The attribution might be wrong, or further research might be required, nonetheless the fact remains: that looks lika a war convoy, and at least one of the ships composing it is not painted grey ![]() |
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It is my impression that dazzle camoufflages were only used on naval and auxiliary vessels, or at least I have never seen a merchant ship in complex camo scheme. To me, only the ship on the right has a dazzle pattern painted on her hull and I suspect her to be an auxiliary, but again my eyes are not very sharp
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Edit: ninja'd ![]() Some other findings: - German supply ship Roda sinking after being torpedoed in 1940. Interesting example of keeping black/white painting and funnel colours even after being taken into navy service: https://shipwrecks.com/wp-content/up...da_sinking.jpg As for rules for peace-painted ships and coal burners in convoys, there were obviously exceptions, as shown by photo here (atlantic convoy in 1941, phot taken by Robert Capa): ![]()
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Maybe coal burners were not repainted grey because it was totally useless to try to camouflage a ship which produces so much black smoke !... ![]() Last edited by Mister_M; 10-16-21 at 04:29 PM. |
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As noted by kapuhy, brightly painted ships and old coal-burning tramps sailing within convoys might have been not too an uncommon exception to the above rules, but I would expect them to become rarer and rarer as the war progresses. By the way of that amazing picture by Robert Capa I think I have found the full set of photographs: https://www.lasegundaguerra.com/viewtopic.php?t=13661 https://izismile.com/2017/06/01/a_tr...1_32_pics.html Capa documented at least two Atlantic convoys. Apparently this set is from his first crossing, which took place in December 1941. Please note this other freighter with dark hull, bluff superstructure and white/blue funnel from the same convoy... ![]() ...and the bad paintwork on these tankers ![]() ![]() @ kapuhy good finding! ![]() |
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Absolutely brilliant!
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Recently I have been digging on the internet for information on the ensigns worn by various types of British and Commonwealth vessels, and I thought I would share my findings here in case someone is interested.
Summary of the flags mentioned in this post and their usage: ![]() British Red Ensign * ![]() Australian Red Ensign ![]() Canadian Red Ensign ![]() New Zealand Red Ensign ![]() South African Red Ensign ** ![]() Royal Mail Ensign ![]() Admiralty, Government Service or Transport Ensign ![]() Board of Trade Ensign ![]() White Ensign _______________________ Notes * The Red Ensign (undefaced) was also the civil ensign flown aboard merchant vessels registered in British India. While the Raj had its own version of the Red Ensign defaced with the so called "star of India", this flag had only a limited use: Quote:
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_______________________ That should be all for now guys. In case you find any wrong information, if you think I have missed some notable flag or vessel type, or if you can provide new information relevant to the subject of this post, I will gladly update it with your imputs ![]() Last edited by gap; 10-24-21 at 05:42 PM. |
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By the way, American pilots who joined the British Air Force also fought under the British flag in the Battle of the English Channel. They were seconded to the British forces. This applied not only to airplanes but also to ships. |
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