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[Yahoshua]

A sad but true statement.......political leaders have no motivation to do anything unless it'll get some votes on their ballot the next election.

[GhOsT55]

TOKYO - North Korea test-launched two missiles Wednesday that landed in the Sea of Japan, Japanese media reported. A Pentagon official said they were Scud missiles and not the the longer-range variety that has been the focus of international concern.
The reclusive communist state launched the first missile at 3:32 a.m., or 2:32 p.m. Tuesday EDT, and it crashed into the Sea of Japan several minutes later, public broadcaster NHK reported. Japan's Kyodo news agency carried a similar report and quoted a government official as saying a second missile had also been fired.

[Kapitan]

So they got a missile, they have 22 rusting romeos a handful or patrol craft a few hundred thousand poorly trained soldiers and a monkey.

what have we got? alot more id doubt they will provoke us simply because we could possibly invade and conquor within the month, they know they are weak so they turn to the only thing that asserts power which is nuclear.

[sonar732]

Something to think about is just how well is the anti-armor forces of South Korea and the U.S.? Another item is that you see pictures of NPKR anti-tank emplacements on another forum topic, but what of the South Korean side? The initial invasion would be like the old school invasion of Western Europe that NATO practiced and trained for years. Sheer numbers would prevail in the first days, however, the American air superiority would win the day.

[Seadawg23]

All points quite interesting. As I dont post here much I find all above posts excellent and this is a topic i could get into. Though right now I dont have the time to write a book on the topic.

i would like to say:
N. Korea is Hot-headed as we all know. There strength lies in there ability to avoid conflict on the 38th parallel.
Their current strategy as I understand it is to take the capitol of S. Korea by the use of there LST's and hovercraft(if this are still functional). Basically an ampib-landing using a few thousand trps and equipment. As with all Communist regime's it is about MASS arty..and NK has just alot.

So, with that being said: either A: the S. Koreans will have to defend off and stave the NK assualt at sea or littoral waters.
B: The US and allies will have to get involved quick. the US 7th Fleets purpose is to prevent such a thing. there other is to keep China from taking Taiwan(totally different topic)

Now, according to some internet sources(which u cant totally believe). N korea has extensive coastal defenses and arty batteries...SSM and SAM sites...Bunker sea wall etc etc...All this may or may not be upkept. But it has always been the policy of dictator style gov'ts to show their might thru show of force. Just look at russia and china...HUGE SQUARES to line up troops in pretty formations on military parade and film it..show the world.

just my 2 cents. I will put in five more later

[WargamerScott]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202274,00.html

North Korea Has Three to Five More Missiles on Launch Pads
Wednesday, July 05, 2006

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea has between three and five missiles on launch pads ready for firing, but none of them are the long-range intercontinental type, FOX News has confirmed.
All of the missiles are believed to be short- to medium-range and are of no threat to the United States, but could reach U.S. allies like Japan.
The South Korean defense minister, Yoon Kwang-ung, warned that further tests were possible, South Korean media reported Thursday.
"There is a possibility that North Korea will fire additional missiles," Yonhap news agency quoted him telling lawmakers.
But none of those missiles are reported to be Taepodong-2, a long-range ballistic missile that could reach the U.S.
FOX News has learned that U.S. officials do believe North Korea has more Taepodong-2 missiles, but there is no information that the North Koreans are preparing to launch any.
The North has also barred people from sailing into some areas off the coast until July 11 in a possible sign of preparations for additional launches, South Korean media has reported....

This is extremely provocative behavior. Things could easily get out of hand.

[GhOsT55]

Originally Posted by Seadawg23

All points quite interesting. As I dont post here much I find all above posts excellent and this is a topic i could get into. Though right now I dont have the time to write a book on the topic.

i would like to say:
N. Korea is Hot-headed as we all know. There strength lies in there ability to avoid conflict on the 38th parallel.
Their current strategy as I understand it is to take the capitol of S. Korea by the use of there LST's and hovercraft(if this are still functional). Basically an ampib-landing using a few thousand trps and equipment. As with all Communist regime's it is about MASS arty..and NK has just alot.

So, with that being said: either A: the S. Koreans will have to defend off and stave the NK assualt at sea or littoral waters.
B: The US and allies will have to get involved quick. the US 7th Fleets purpose is to prevent such a thing. there other is to keep China from taking Taiwan(totally different topic)

Now, according to some internet sources(which u cant totally believe). N korea has extensive coastal defenses and arty batteries...SSM and SAM sites...Bunker sea wall etc etc...All this may or may not be upkept. But it has always been the policy of dictator style gov'ts to show their might thru show of force. Just look at russia and china...HUGE SQUARES to line up troops in pretty formations on military parade and film it..show the world.

just my 2 cents. I will put in five more later

so yur saying korean war 2

[moose1am]

If WWIII breaks out the Neatherlands may not be a direct target but the radiation created by all the nukes from USA, Russia, China and a few other small countries will make your dikes glow orange and yellow for years.

You can put your ice skates away and bend over and kiss your back side goodby if N Korea sends a missle at the USA.

I lived through the Cuban Missile Crisis and believe me that was a very close call. But the Leaders back then were more rational than what we have today in N. Korea.

The world gets more dangerous each and ever time a new country arms themselves with nuclear weapons. Someday all hell will break out and we will all be very very sorry that we ever designed nukes.

One thing we can depends on is that mankind will screw things up eventually.

Originally Posted by Kurushio

That "new years rocket" can hold multiple nuclear weapons and probably destroy the Netherlands quite easily.

[Captain Norman]

Now, if North Korea were to invade South Korea, it would fail in their part.
The North Korean military has the power to cause immediate serious damage, but cant fight a full scale war. We are talking a country with no food, no money, and no oil. How do you fight a war without it? If a war between NK and SK and the US broke out, we could expect serious casualties on all fronts, but North Korea cannot recreate the Korean War in the modern age of the 21st century.

[Wilko]

Just idle speculation here but while I agree NK is very poor they seem willing to sacrifice the peasents for what ever goal they deem worthy, so would not they have a decent stock pile od stuff if they were planning on going to war. Surely they would just strip everything bare for they military use and if a few odd million die from starvation or freeze to death then so be it... and what sort of help would they be getting from what ever so called allies they might have...

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by Captain Norman

Now, if North Korea were to invade South Korea, it would fail in their part.
The North Korean military has the power to cause immediate serious damage, but cant fight a full scale war. We are talking a country with no food, no money, and no oil. How do you fight a war without it? If a war between NK and SK and the US broke out, we could expect serious casualties on all fronts, but North Korea cannot recreate the Korean War in the modern age of the 21st century.

Are you so sure about it ?
Currently the US military is waging war in iraq, and they aren't winning neither on military nor political ground.
Can the US really wage 2 wars on 2 vastly different fronts if NC were to invade SC ?
I honestly don't think so.
So the situation wouldn't be so clear cut.
What happens if Cina supports NC ?
If NC ever stood a chance of invading SC and winning at riunification it is right now.

[Kapitan]

Gorrilla warfare is very effective dart in dart out ambush its brough america out of vietnam im sure it could do the same in korea, simply because all the people will have a will to fight and die for thier country.

Want to challenge 20 million people with an army of only 200,000 ? be like putting lambs to slaughter.

[JamesT73J]

As I understand it, America has planned for the ability to fight two campaigns; certainly they have the will to do it. Secondly, should the DPRK roll south, it won't just be the US, it will be the UN. That means that Europe, and most likely the C.I.S would also commit assets. In short it would be a total bloodbath. Most of the Korean Peninsula would resemble Afghanistan with the sheer amount of HE being lobbed about.

The PRC would not get involved; they're too far down the road towards a free market and trade; I would not be in the least bit surprised if they actually worked against the DPRK - there is a far bigger reward for them economically in working with the west.

I'm still not convinced this is going to happen though. KJI is just - as usual - being a dick.


James

P.S.

[micky1up]

the US dosent have a problem winning conventional wars they swept aside the iraqi army but their not fighting a conventional war now i have no doubt the could beat north korean army but once thats over i fear insurgency and terroism will reign and theUS hasnt a clue how to win that kind of battle as you now see in iraq

[Yahoshua]

We could always let SK take care of that problem for us...I'm sure some grandfather will be cheering on the troopers on the sidelines to get back at the Kommies.