AUKUS - Page 7

Jimbuna · 09-24-21, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Gorpet

If not that it will be by moderator.

No moderator intervention was involved, I presume you were simply 'timed out'

ET2SN · 09-24-21, 12:24 PM

Meanwhile..

Kapitan · 09-24-21, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

I would point out here this chart is in no way accurate

Also to note France's nuclear weapons are not available to NATO unlike the UK's which has a commitment as per the 1960's agreement to obtain polaris.

I would also caution using national interest as a source of information some of their writers have glaring errors in their articles.

NATO without the USA is effectively impotent and it is unlikely that they will withdraw given that a strong united Europe is key to USA security at home plus trade.

mapuc · 09-25-21, 10:15 AM

Kapitan wrote

"NATO without the USA is effectively impotent and it is unlikely that they will withdraw given that a strong united Europe is key to USA security at home plus trade."

Maybe this was the reason Trump demanded that NATO members in Europe should increase their percentage on the military to 2 % of BNP.

Markus

Kapitan · 09-25-21, 10:20 AM

Trump demanded something that every NATO member had already previously pledged and that is by 2024 all NATO members would be spending no less than 2% GDP on defence

Jimbuna · 09-25-21, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

Trump demanded something that every NATO member had already previously pledged and that is by 2024 all NATO members would be spending no less than 2% GDP on defence

True that

Otto Harkaman · 09-27-21, 03:16 AM

Decades Before Australia Sees First Nuke Submarine?

https://news.usni.org/2021/09/23/cno...d-take-decades

Skybird · 09-27-21, 06:46 AM

^ They absolutely need a dual ways strategy of buying submarines one by one and forming and training the crews needed for them, and parallel to that building the ship building infrastructure until they can build the subs themselves.

Otto Harkaman · 09-29-21, 10:52 AM

The 5 Main Options For Australia’s AUKUS Nuclear Submarine Deal

As Australia looks set to join the elite club of nuclear submarine operators, we explore the options. The U.S. Navy's Virginia Class? The Royal Navy's Astute Class? Or something new? We have identified the 5 most obvious candidates.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...ubmarine-deal/

Jimbuna · 09-29-21, 01:43 PM

Either Virginia or Astute....both tried and tested but not so much the Astute.

Otto Harkaman · 09-29-21, 02:44 PM

In the meantime the current Collins Class diesel-electric submarines will be upgraded to keep them operable.

Will these submarines be able to last as long as this project is looking to take?

Skybird · 09-29-21, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Either Virginia or Astute....both tried and tested but not so much the Astute.

Astute. Production capacity is free, the UK already got all its boats, so making the Aussie boats could start faster than any other of the available options. The order books of the makers of the Virgina are full.

If time is the deciding factor, there is no alternative to going with the Astute.

mapuc · 09-29-21, 04:11 PM

Time will tell which decision the Australian government and RAN will make.

Markus

Jimbuna · 09-30-21, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Astute. Production capacity is free, the UK already got all its boats, so making the Aussie boats could start faster than any other of the available options. The order books of the makers of the Virgina are full.

If time is the deciding factor, there is no alternative to going with the Astute.

Good points

vienna · 09-30-21, 08:18 AM

I was hoping someone on YT would extract the relevant funny bit from this clip, but it hasn't happened; Stephen Colbert comments on the sub deal and there is an animation I think some of you might get a giggle from (although those from Oz might be a bit tweaked...); the bit starts at 2:45 into the whole clip, and ends at 3:40...

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09-25-21, 10:15 AM	#94
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,543 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Kapitan wrote "NATO without the USA is effectively impotent and it is unlikely that they will withdraw given that a strong united Europe is key to USA security at home plus trade." Maybe this was the reason Trump demanded that NATO members in Europe should increase their percentage on the military to 2 % of BNP. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

09-25-21, 10:20 AM	#95
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,131 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Trump demanded something that every NATO member had already previously pledged and that is by 2024 all NATO members would be spending no less than 2% GDP on defence __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

09-27-21, 03:16 AM	#97
Otto Harkaman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 1,183 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Decades Before Australia Sees First Nuke Submarine? https://news.usni.org/2021/09/23/cno...d-take-decades __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm

09-27-21, 06:46 AM	#98
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,674 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	^ They absolutely need a dual ways strategy of buying submarines one by one and forming and training the crews needed for them, and parallel to that building the ship building infrastructure until they can build the subs themselves. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

09-29-21, 10:52 AM	#99
Otto Harkaman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 1,183 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	The 5 Main Options For Australia’s AUKUS Nuclear Submarine Deal As Australia looks set to join the elite club of nuclear submarine operators, we explore the options. The U.S. Navy's Virginia Class? The Royal Navy's Astute Class? Or something new? We have identified the 5 most obvious candidates. https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...ubmarine-deal/ __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm

09-24-21, 12:24 PM	#92
ET2SN Ocean Warrior Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 2,652 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	Meanwhile..

09-29-21, 01:43 PM	#100
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,712 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Either Virginia or Astute....both tried and tested but not so much the Astute. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-29-21, 02:44 PM	#101
Otto Harkaman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Lexington, Kentucky Posts: 1,183 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	In the meantime the current Collins Class diesel-electric submarines will be upgraded to keep them operable. Will these submarines be able to last as long as this project is looking to take? __________________ "If you want to know the age of the Earth, look upon the sea in a storm." -Joseph Conrad USS Pompano (SS-181) https://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-pompano-181.htm Last edited by Otto Harkaman; 09-29-21 at 03:14 PM.

09-29-21, 04:11 PM	#103
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,543 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Time will tell which decision the Australian government and RAN will make. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

09-30-21, 08:18 AM	#105
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,718 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I was hoping someone on YT would extract the relevant funny bit from this clip, but it hasn't happened; Stephen Colbert comments on the sub deal and there is an animation I think some of you might get a giggle from (although those from Oz might be a bit tweaked...); the bit starts at 2:45 into the whole clip, and ends at 3:40... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __