Afghanistan deadline - Page 36

Skybird · 08-27-21, 09:31 AM

A very different view.
https://translate.google.com/transla.../27556252.html

Fact is that amongst failed integrations, Afghans are a prominent majority, and that Afghans living in germany more often fail to become socially independent and to get jobs and work than other migrant groups. Afghans also are represented strongly in crime and organised crime: in Germany, in Europe, in countries where they form strong communities (Germany hosts one of the biggest if not the biggest Afghan exile community in Europe).

Every medal has two sides.

Rockstar · 08-27-21, 10:42 AM

mapuc · 08-27-21, 10:48 AM

Instead of pointing fingers at each other, you should work together and solve the problem in an agreement.

Things like
If my President was in charge then...
No this president has.....

Does not solve anything.

Markus

mapuc · 08-27-21, 11:25 AM

In 20 years from now Afghanistan, Pakistan and Turkmenistan will become one country under the Taliban.

Markus

Jimbuna · 08-27-21, 12:17 PM

Two British nationals, and the child of another British national, died in the explosion at Kabul airport, the foreign secretary has said.

Dominic Raab said two others were also injured in the suicide bomb attack on Thursday.

"It is a tragedy that as they sought to bring their loved ones to safety in the UK they were murdered by cowardly terrorists," he said.

At least 95 people were killed in the attack.

Mr Raab said he was "deeply saddened" by the deaths.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58360592

Jimbuna · 08-27-21, 12:20 PM

US-led evacuations from Kabul airport in Afghanistan enter final stage, following a devastating bomb attack.

The Pentagon corrects its assessment to say there was one suicide bomb attack at the airport on Thursday, not two separate blasts.

The attack targeted people queuing to flee the country after Taliban militants returned to power.

Ninety people have been killed - mostly Afghan civilians and 13 US military personnel.

US President Joe Biden has promised to hunt down the perpetrators, jihadist group IS-K

The UK says it is entering the final stages of its evacuation, with 1,000 leaving today.

The evacuations - and foreign troop withdrawals - are designed to be completed by 31 August - a deadline agreed with the Taliban.

The White House says more than 111,000 people have been evacuated since the airlift began nearly two weeks ago.

Skybird · 08-27-21, 01:45 PM

The germans say that according to their lists with people eligible to get evacuated to Germany, there are still 10000 Afghans and 300 German nationals in Afghanistan who did not make it. However,lk eligible accoridng to Germn urewucracy and policy are oly Afghans who worked for the Bundeswehr in the past recent years, 2 or 5 years. Those who have worked for the Germans before that timeframe, are not eligble to get to Germany.

Considering the other nations, and the much bigger troop contingents and activities of the Americans, I wonder about how many peopel al in all have cooperated in total with the Western forces in recent two decades? Millions...?

In other words I wonder whether all names on these lists are indeed just local staff. It seems to me these name losts have been pretty much beefed up by many others, too. But if civil rights and the woprstening of their situation shall be the criterion, we can practically evacuate the whole country and move the complete population.

The last german soldiers are all back from Tashkent, they have landed in German airbase Wunsdorf just hours ago.

mapuc · 08-27-21, 01:59 PM

Maybe it's an evil thought
People from Afghanistan who obtained a residence permit due to death threat if they are send back to their country. Can not visit their homecountry. If they do as we are witness to now(Danish and Swedish cases)Then they should not have permission to return.

They have lied to the Danish and Swedish authorities.

Edit
Biden promise to revenge this terrible terror attack at the airport in Kabul. At first I was thinking on a military strike somewhere where ISIS has it's stronghold. Then I came to think of this Israelis cover operation after the Olympic 1972. In this operation they hunted down these terrorist and...wiped them out. Could Biden do the same ? Give such an order..to hunt down the terrorist behind it.
End edit

Markus

em2nought · 08-27-21, 06:26 PM

The Pineapple Express

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/us-special...090023869.html

Cyborg322 · 08-27-21, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

Maybe it's an evil thought
People from Afghanistan who obtained a residence permit due to death threat if they are send back to their country. Can not visit their homecountry. If they do as we are witness to now(Danish and Swedish cases)Then they should not have permission to return.

They have lied to the Danish and Swedish authorities.

Edit
Biden promise to revenge this terrible terror attack at the airport in Kabul. At first I was thinking on a military strike somewhere where ISIS has it's stronghold. Then I came to think of this Israelis cover operation after the Olympic 1972. In this operation they hunted down these terrorist and...wiped them out. Could Biden do the same ? Give such an order..to hunt down the terrorist behind it.
End edit

Markus

The indication from Biden is airstrikes maybe drones not boots on the ground if that what you mean he could not afford the political fallout from that. Its going to be a minimal risk operation I guess.

Simon

Skybird · 08-27-21, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Crazy. Though not really first time heard of.

Skybird · 08-28-21, 05:29 AM

"Win in Afghanistan?" Peter Scholl-Latour, an icon and correspondent legend in Germany and by far the most competent commentator, connoisseur and most experienced traveler and adventurer that the German media and correspondent scene had to offer, i still have some of his books on my shelves. He also motivated me to go on my "expeditions" in the nineties, I owe him thanks for - so tpo speak - giving me a kick in the butt by his example, overcoming my great respect and fear for the big wide world and getting on my socks to get some distance-covering done. If you listen to 99% of comedians today who think they have to add their background noise to the general news situation, you can only laugh. He started out as a soldier in World War II, then continued for short time on this path in the French Foreign Legion, so a tough dog he was, until high age, next he was a war correspondent in the Hueys in Vietnam, embedded himself voluntarily in the Americna front troops at a time when the term "media embedding" was not even thought of, was a guest and prisoner of the Viet Cong for a while, and up to his death made his rounds around the Middle East and the Africa region, back and forth, over and over again. If there was a German-speaking mind in modern times who really knew the Middle East inside out and had no illusions about the stupidity of Westerners - and Americans - in this regard, it was him. He scourged their stupidity mercilessly as what it was, and spared no predictions of severe consequences and outcomes. He was also right about Afghanistan.

And that already 20 years ago.

He gave this lecture when he received a Mercator professorship. Even if you understand German, it will unfortunately be difficult for you here, because he was a notorious mumbler of Grönemeyer's dimensions.

He just never got his teeth apart.

3catcircus · 08-28-21, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by em2nought

The Pineapple Express

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/us-special...090023869.html

The fact that private citizens have to enact rescue missions is damning proof that the Biden administration and their woke JCS need to all be fired.

The Office of Naval Intelligence put out a memo warning that service members, civilian employees, and retirees aren't allowed to bad-mouth those in charge (which apparently ONI didn't care about when retired generals and admirals were bad-mouthing Trump...)

The Sgt Maj of the US Army put out a time deaf tweet about how diversity made the army more lethal - as bombs were exploding in Kabul.

*Some* of us understand our oath is to the constitution and the resultant protection of our citizenry, not the people in charge of the government. At this point, the entire Biden admin and the JCS should be considered part of the "...all enemies, foreign or domestic..." portion of the oath - with resultant firings, impeachments, and convictions.

3catcircus · 08-28-21, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyborg322

The indication from Biden is airstrikes maybe drones not boots on the ground if that what you mean he could not afford the political fallout from that. Its going to be a minimal risk operation I guess.

Simon

Minimal risk for whom?

Biden will lob a few rockets from drones into empty mountain caves and claim success.

Skybird · 08-28-21, 07:47 AM

Biden is by no way alone responsible for the current messy outcome. All US administrations of the past 20 years have contributed their share to the mess. And that explcitly incldues the Donald. If things would have gone his way and "deal"

, it would have become even worse and more hasty.

This man

https://www.stripes.com/branches/mar...s-2684882.html

wants to hold them all accountable. He got fired. That was to be expected, as meanwhile he has said himself, chain of command and all that. Still, it leaves a foul taste.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...scheller-video

I normally agree with that the military has to obey potlicla command. But this can go too far, as Germany has learned the hard way 80 years ago. What if the own political system and its "elites" have become rotten and criminal and treacherous to rules and laws and the interest of the people? In the third Reich the military leadership too thought in terms of loyalty, chain of command, Prussian sense of duty. And by that it drove itself deep, deep into the grounds of evil. We have a German word that is hard to translate into English, it is "Kadavergehorsam". It merans a sroing sense of obedience that is so axaggerated that it even follows commands if these lead for absolkutely stupid, hilarious reasons to self destruction.

What if the buggets enemy of one own's people - is ones own leaders and the laws they released to protect their powerplays? I say this condition is to be diagnosed in practically every nation in the Western world, and most other nations outside the West, too.

All the political skunks are still there, if they have not died from age. They are wading in blood and would have thousands and thousands of lives on their conscience - if they would have a conscience. On the other side of the fence, the leaders of the "others": the same.

Lock them all into a hall, give everbody a knife, and do not open the door again until its over, then go in and shoot the last survivor standing.

08-27-21, 09:31 AM	#526
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,729 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	A very different view. https://translate.google.com/transla.../27556252.html Fact is that amongst failed integrations, Afghans are a prominent majority, and that Afghans living in germany more often fail to become socially independent and to get jobs and work than other migrant groups. Afghans also are represented strongly in crime and organised crime: in Germany, in Europe, in countries where they form strong communities (Germany hosts one of the biggest if not the biggest Afghan exile community in Europe). Every medal has two sides. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-27-21, 10:48 AM	#528
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,576 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Instead of pointing fingers at each other, you should work together and solve the problem in an agreement. Things like If my President was in charge then... No this president has..... Does not solve anything. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

08-27-21, 11:25 AM	#529
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,576 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	In 20 years from now Afghanistan, Pakistan and Turkmenistan will become one country under the Taliban. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

08-27-21, 12:17 PM	#530
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,083 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Two British nationals, and the child of another British national, died in the explosion at Kabul airport, the foreign secretary has said. Dominic Raab said two others were also injured in the suicide bomb attack on Thursday. "It is a tragedy that as they sought to bring their loved ones to safety in the UK they were murdered by cowardly terrorists," he said. At least 95 people were killed in the attack. Mr Raab said he was "deeply saddened" by the deaths. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58360592 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-27-21, 12:20 PM	#531
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,083 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	US-led evacuations from Kabul airport in Afghanistan enter final stage, following a devastating bomb attack. The Pentagon corrects its assessment to say there was one suicide bomb attack at the airport on Thursday, not two separate blasts. The attack targeted people queuing to flee the country after Taliban militants returned to power. Ninety people have been killed - mostly Afghan civilians and 13 US military personnel. US President Joe Biden has promised to hunt down the perpetrators, jihadist group IS-K The UK says it is entering the final stages of its evacuation, with 1,000 leaving today. The evacuations - and foreign troop withdrawals - are designed to be completed by 31 August - a deadline agreed with the Taliban. The White House says more than 111,000 people have been evacuated since the airlift began nearly two weeks ago. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-27-21, 10:42 AM	#527
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0

08-27-21, 01:45 PM	#532
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,729 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The germans say that according to their lists with people eligible to get evacuated to Germany, there are still 10000 Afghans and 300 German nationals in Afghanistan who did not make it. However,lk eligible accoridng to Germn urewucracy and policy are oly Afghans who worked for the Bundeswehr in the past recent years, 2 or 5 years. Those who have worked for the Germans before that timeframe, are not eligble to get to Germany. Considering the other nations, and the much bigger troop contingents and activities of the Americans, I wonder about how many peopel al in all have cooperated in total with the Western forces in recent two decades? Millions...? In other words I wonder whether all names on these lists are indeed just local staff. It seems to me these name losts have been pretty much beefed up by many others, too. But if civil rights and the woprstening of their situation shall be the criterion, we can practically evacuate the whole country and move the complete population. The last german soldiers are all back from Tashkent, they have landed in German airbase Wunsdorf just hours ago. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-27-21, 01:59 PM	#533
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,576 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Maybe it's an evil thought People from Afghanistan who obtained a residence permit due to death threat if they are send back to their country. Can not visit their homecountry. If they do as we are witness to now(Danish and Swedish cases)Then they should not have permission to return. They have lied to the Danish and Swedish authorities. Edit Biden promise to revenge this terrible terror attack at the airport in Kabul. At first I was thinking on a military strike somewhere where ISIS has it's stronghold. Then I came to think of this Israelis cover operation after the Olympic 1972. In this operation they hunted down these terrorist and...wiped them out. Could Biden do the same ? Give such an order..to hunt down the terrorist behind it. End edit Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat Last edited by mapuc; 08-27-21 at 02:34 PM.

08-27-21, 06:26 PM	#534
em2nought Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,485 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The Pineapple Express https://www.yahoo.com/gma/us-special...090023869.html __________________ em2nought is ecstatic garbage!

08-28-21, 05:29 AM	#537
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,729 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	"Win in Afghanistan?" Peter Scholl-Latour, an icon and correspondent legend in Germany and by far the most competent commentator, connoisseur and most experienced traveler and adventurer that the German media and correspondent scene had to offer, i still have some of his books on my shelves. He also motivated me to go on my "expeditions" in the nineties, I owe him thanks for - so tpo speak - giving me a kick in the butt by his example, overcoming my great respect and fear for the big wide world and getting on my socks to get some distance-covering done. If you listen to 99% of comedians today who think they have to add their background noise to the general news situation, you can only laugh. He started out as a soldier in World War II, then continued for short time on this path in the French Foreign Legion, so a tough dog he was, until high age, next he was a war correspondent in the Hueys in Vietnam, embedded himself voluntarily in the Americna front troops at a time when the term "media embedding" was not even thought of, was a guest and prisoner of the Viet Cong for a while, and up to his death made his rounds around the Middle East and the Africa region, back and forth, over and over again. If there was a German-speaking mind in modern times who really knew the Middle East inside out and had no illusions about the stupidity of Westerners - and Americans - in this regard, it was him. He scourged their stupidity mercilessly as what it was, and spared no predictions of severe consequences and outcomes. He was also right about Afghanistan. And that already 20 years ago. He gave this lecture when he received a Mercator professorship. Even if you understand German, it will unfortunately be difficult for you here, because he was a notorious mumbler of Grönemeyer's dimensions. He just never got his teeth apart. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-28-21, 07:47 AM	#540
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,729 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Biden is by no way alone responsible for the current messy outcome. All US administrations of the past 20 years have contributed their share to the mess. And that explcitly incldues the Donald. If things would have gone his way and "deal" , it would have become even worse and more hasty. This man https://www.stripes.com/branches/mar...s-2684882.html wants to hold them all accountable. He got fired. That was to be expected, as meanwhile he has said himself, chain of command and all that. Still, it leaves a foul taste. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...scheller-video I normally agree with that the military has to obey potlicla command. But this can go too far, as Germany has learned the hard way 80 years ago. What if the own political system and its "elites" have become rotten and criminal and treacherous to rules and laws and the interest of the people? In the third Reich the military leadership too thought in terms of loyalty, chain of command, Prussian sense of duty. And by that it drove itself deep, deep into the grounds of evil. We have a German word that is hard to translate into English, it is "Kadavergehorsam". It merans a sroing sense of obedience that is so axaggerated that it even follows commands if these lead for absolkutely stupid, hilarious reasons to self destruction. What if the buggets enemy of one own's people - is ones own leaders and the laws they released to protect their powerplays? I say this condition is to be diagnosed in practically every nation in the Western world, and most other nations outside the West, too. All the political skunks are still there, if they have not died from age. They are wading in blood and would have thousands and thousands of lives on their conscience - if they would have a conscience. On the other side of the fence, the leaders of the "others": the same. Lock them all into a hall, give everbody a knife, and do not open the door again until its over, then go in and shoot the last survivor standing. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 08-28-21 at 08:00 AM.