Afghanistan deadline

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

Trump would have done things in the following order:

1. Evac civilians and Afghan collaborators.
2. Remove our destroy any US war material.
3. Withdraw all troops.
4. Destroy Bagram from the air.

Biden, on the other hand (rather his tard wranglers who are actually in charge) are so detached from reality that closing up shop in the dead of night leaving equipment, civilians, and Afghan collaborators to fend for themselves seemed reasonable, amirite?

Bullcrap! He would have found the situation equally as hard to deal with and likely have acted like MacArthur and and started firing people in key positions instead of questioning the great masterplan's viability.

[Dowly]

@3catcircus: I'm sure you can provide a source for Trump's withdrawal plan.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Dowly

@3catcircus: I'm sure you can provide a source for Trump's withdrawal plan.

I protect my sources...

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

I protect my sources...

"Q" isn't a "source."

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

Trump would have done things in the following order:

derp

Trump can't wipe his arse in the right order.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

I protect my sources...

Right. That means you have no idea and are just projecting your rose tinted glasses view of your messiah's glorious righteousness.

[Otto Harkaman]

Nowhere to hide, Joe: President adopts fetal position pose as he crumbles under questioning from Fox News reporter Peter Doocy and tries to blame Trump for the catastrophe in Afghanistan




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Fox-News.html

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

Nowhere to hide, Joe: President adopts fetal position pose as he crumbles under questioning from Fox News reporter Peter Doocy and tries to blame Trump for the catastrophe in Afghanistan




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Fox-News.html

And there you are folks. Bizarre interpretation. The hallmark of the desperately delusional. (It undercuts any true criticism, ya know. Wait, you don't.)

[Buddahaid]

Trump's empathy...


See? We can all play the image meme game and it means nothing.

[Otto Harkaman]

not my interpretation, obviously you smart guys didn't click the link to the Dailymail article. It was the headline to the article, you should read.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

not my interpretation, obviously you smart guys didn't click the link to the Dailymail article. It was the headline to the article, you should read.

No I didn't. Just the name Dailymail puts me off....

[MaDef]

Originally Posted by Arlo

Trump can't wipe his arse in the right order.

And Biden cant find his with both hands and a mirror.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

Trump would have done things in the following order:

1. Evac civilians and Afghan collaborators.
2. Remove our destroy any US war material.
3. Withdraw all troops.
4. Destroy Bagram from the air.

The Donald was the one who started negotiations with the Taleban and some of their leaders who had kidnapped and assassinated more Americans in the Pakistani-Afghan border region and Afghanistan than anyone else, and he accpeted unconditionell withdrawel without any concessions by the Taleban and allowed them to not give any guarantees and concessions of any kind and he accepted the withdrawel to be completed already in May this year.

The Taleban gave nothing, not one tiny titsy bit. And the Donald swallowed it. He rewarded murderers, kidnappers and terrorists.

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Now here is how it should have been done instead:

In the second half of the warm season, when all the crazy kids rub themselves against their Kalashnikovs and eye an opportunity to go to war against some tribe again, silent evacuations of local helpers and their families are started, without media attention. This lasts for several months to get out as many as possible withgoiut raising a prominent radar profile. When the cold season starts, the angry-eyed Kalashinkov-holders tend to return to their villages and caves, and put their rifles aside for a while. Winter is no fighting season in afghanistan, summer is. This is when the US should have temporarily massified air assets for and around Afghanistanistan: drones, bombers, anything, Western nations should have started to blitz down on the remaining few evacuations without big announcement and create facts on the ground (to hell with the Kabul government), and the US brutally open tells the Taleban: we use all airfields availabe in the country in the comign days and if you get into our way and start messing around (mind you, they need to come together first because they are in their winter caves), we shoot and bomb the smelly stuff out of everythign that moves and when the dust settles we bopmb it again, just for fun. Total overkill. Then every Western nations quickly pick up the remaining troops on the ground, fly them out, and done it is.

I'm all for pulling out. But not in the at the same time cyncial and weak way in which Biden has done it.

But the Donald would have done better? No. He only would have used much more gift wrapper to hide the mess better from the American public and sell an onconditionel surrender and sneaking away with pinched tail, whimpering, as a triumph of Donaldinian "deal making". Trump's agreement with the Taleban was no deal. It was a dictate by the Taleban and he accepted it without getting them to give anything. Like so often in his life, the big deal maker again stands there with dropped pants and empty hands and boasts with meaningless words.

Biden, as I said, is a mix of cynism, and whimpering. The case is just and good and fair. The execution is a desaster. And one could have known it in avdance. Getting out: yes, absolutely. In this way? No.

[Arlo]

[Skybird]

^ Yes, that also is true, and it is often overlooked in these debates: that over 100 thousand Afghans have been evacuated by all participating nations. I'm guilty, too, of not pointing that out with the respect that this fact deserves. I promise betterment.



Its not as if nobody got out.



However, also tens of thousands eligible for evacuation, are left behind. But the attention between both numbers should be better balanced.