Afghanistan deadline

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Cyborg322

This is not the end its just the beginning we need to know whats going on. The Taliban needs to know that the world eyes are upon them

No TV and media in the place you lived in the past 20 years..?

Honestylk said I think the ytalkeban do hnot care o ne bit for the eyes of the world. Nor does the IS or the Kaeda that are in Afgjanistan, too - and are more brutal andradical than the Taleban are.

They have learned to avoid ELINT and drone and satellite recce. Many drone strikes in the past 20 years also killed many civilians, and blew up wedding parties and jubilee birthday parties. Leaves you with HUMINT in the main.

Damn, thats the HUMINT that just got evacuated or betrayed or that was chased out of the window.

"Just the beginning"...? "Eyes of the world"...? "We need to know"...?

What have they tried the past 20 years?

Get over it. Afghanistan is lost. The election was not stolen from Trump. Elvis is dead. There is no Nazi base on the moon.

I recommend to study things in the tribal region of Pakistan. Thats what Afghanistan is - just bigger.

[Cyborg322]

Originally Posted by Skybird

No TV and media in the place you lived in the past 20 years..?

Honestylk said I think the ytalkeban do hnot care o ne bit for the eyes of the world. Nor does the IS or the Kaeda that are in Afgjanistan, too - and are more brutal andradical than the Taleban are.

They have learned to avoid ELINT and drone and satellite recce. Many drone strikes in the past 20 years also killed many civilians, and blew up wedding parties and jubilee birthday parties. Leaves you with HUMINT in the main.

Damn, thats the HUMINT that just got evacuated or betrayed or that was chased out of the window.

"Just the beginning"...? "Eyes of the world"...? "We need to know"...?

What have they tried the past 20 years?

Get over it. Afghanistan is lost. The election was not stolen from Trump. Elvis is dead. There is no Nazi base on the moon.

I recommend to study things in the tribal region of Pakistan. Thats what Afghanistan is - just bigger.

I recommend you go to the tribal region of Pakistan or anywhere in Afghanistan,study then come back with the same opinion. That is of course if you can get out.

[Skybird]

You misunderstood me there, I meant to say one should take the helplessness of the Pakistani government in the tribal region to illustrate how hopeless it is to assume you can have Afghanistan "under the eyes of the world" and monitor everything relevant thats going on.

[mapuc]

The Danish FE(Forsvarets efterretningstjeneste=Defense Intelligence Service)
Has sent a Press release..

Here is what it says
Start
"
The FE estimated that Kabul would hardly fall in 2021
The Defense Intelligence Service underestimated how quickly a takeover in Kabul would take place.

Questions have recently been raised about the intelligence base regarding the situation in Afghanistan, which the government was presented with in connection with the handling of the evacuation from Kabul.
The Defense Intelligence Service (FE) has continuously assessed the likelihood that Kabul would fall into the hands of the Taliban, as well as the time horizon for this.

Until immediately before the Taliban took power, the FE’s assessment was that Kabul was less likely to fall before the end of the year. This was i.a. stated at a briefing of the parliamentary parties on Monday, August 9, 2021
(it was based on this information the Danish government said it was time enough)

It was not a surprise that Kabul fell, but the speed at which it happened we had not considered probable. We based our assessments on the intelligence base we had available from, among others, our own collection, the Armed Forces and international partners, but it has turned out that our assessment was simply too optimistic.
"
End

Markus

[Skybird]

The German evacuation will end on Friday with the last German soldiers leaving then. That means the civilian evacuation will end sometime on Thursday.


Negotiation of the Germans wih the Taleban may open a window of opportunity for evacuation of Afghans with papers making them eligible via civilian airliners after Augst 31st. Thats what the leader of the German negotiating teams says. Maybe it happens, maybe not, I do not rule it out, but I also do not take it as certain.

[Buddahaid]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the US military equipment "left behind" belong to Afganistan?

[Rockstar]

So our own government leaves a crap ton of SCARs, SAWs M4s M16s, grenade launchers and stinger missiles for children and adults in a foreign lands to play with. But then turns around and keeps trying to take mine away because they’re dangerous. I don’t get it.


yes what we leave behind belongs to the current government of Afghanistan. I’m also still of the opinion that it was deliberate too

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

So our own government leaves a crap ton of SCARs, SAWs M4s M16s, grenade launchers and stinger missiles for children and adults in a foreign lands to play with. But then turns around and keeps trying to take mine away because they’re dangerous.

Guns don't kill people. Radical extremists (domestic and foreign) kill people. Good thing Jan. 6 didn't result in a complete withdrawal of the U.S. from the U.S. (Why in the wide world of sports would you need SCARs, SAWs, M4s, M16s, grenade launchers or stinger missiles?)

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

So our own government leaves a crap ton of SCARs, SAWs M4s M16s, grenade launchers and stinger missiles for children and adults in a foreign lands to play with. But then turns around and keeps trying to take mine away because they’re dangerous. I don’t get it.


yes what we leave behind belongs to the current government of Afghanistan. I’m also still of the opinion that it was deliberate too

Well what else was the government supposed to fight with when we left?

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

They are more afraid of armed citizens than armed criminals, their sovereignty is more important than your rights, criminals aren't trying to replace them but you might.

You seem to live in a land of confusion regarding the word 'criminal.'

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

Well looks like there are 89 shooting investigations this year so far, 20 murders and 227 aggravated assaults.

https://www.lexingtonky.gov/shooting-investigations

https://www.lexingtonky.gov/crime-data

Lucky for us here in Kentucky we have the constitutional right to open carry and just recently added conceal carry without a permit.

Violent crime up? Need a solution? Make it easier. You heard me right.

Then there's Billy Joe Bob's 'Down Home Militia' that's planning a tourist trip to the capital.

[Buddahaid]

Isn't this thread about Afganistan? Argue gun control in the gun control thread.

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

so you think only criminals should have guns?

Well, that was an odd interpretation, given our exchange, so far.

[Arlo]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Isn't this thread about Afganistan? Argue gun control in the gun control thread.

There's a gun control thread?! Who brought in the deviation? Shame on you.

[Otto Harkaman]

There is not much deviation, the whole thing got started about the US government leaving thousands of weapons to the Taliban and Rockstar complaining about them wanting to regulate firearms to law abiding citizens here when they are perfectly happy to supply them to terrorists.

The Taliban take a captured $6m US-made Blackhawk helicopter for a joyride, and unveil more special forces with night vision - amid fears they have amassed 200,000 American-supplied guns and 150 aircraft
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...elicopter.html