Afghanistan deadline - Page 31

Jimbuna · 08-24-21, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

From the news I have read around the world it looks like that potential terrorist is being transported into Europe.

There ain't any control on who enter the evacuations plane.

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Evacuee who is on UK's 'no-fly' security watchlist is airlifted from Kabul to Birmingham - then RELEASED into Britain because they're 'no longer a threat' - amid questions about screening of Afghan evacuees

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ty-breach.html

Markus

The quote in your post answers your question.

Jimbuna · 08-24-21, 08:02 AM

US allies warn they will not be able to evacuate all Afghans fleeing the Taliban by 31 August.

The warning comes as a G-7 summit is to hear allies press President Joe Biden to delay the withdrawal of US forces beyond that date.

US troops control Kabul airport from where some 58,700 people, mainly Afghans working for foreign forces, have been evacuated.

The Taliban have warned of consequences if foreign troops are not withdrawn by the agreed deadline.

The Taliban's treatment of women will be a red line, the UN warns at an emergency session of the Human Rights Council.

Thousands of Afghans are trying to flee, fearing reprisals from the Taliban militants now in power.

mapuc · 08-24-21, 09:54 AM

How many in percentage who have escaped Afghanistan hasn't been working for the allied?
I fully understand that we give shelter to those who have helped us there, but the rest, should they be saved ?

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Last week the Danish Prime minister said that 45(who have helped Denmark) + family should be evacuated from Afghanistan to Denmark. Estimated 235-250 in total should be evacuated from Afghanistan.
So far Denmark has evacuated 850.
End edit

Markus

Jimbuna · 08-24-21, 11:57 AM

The head of the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) secretly met the leader of the Taliban in Kabul in Monday, sources have told US media.

Neither the Taliban nor the CIA would confirm the reported meeting between William Burns and Mullah Baradar.

US President Joe Biden has set a deadline of 31 August for American forces to leave Afghanistan. Allies - including the UK - want an extension.

US forces have been in Afghanistan since 2001, following the 9/11 attacks.

Sources have told US news outlets, including the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Associated Press and broadcaster NPR about the CIA-Taliban meeting.

However, they gave few details.

If confirmed, this would be the highest-level contact between the US and the Taliban since the militants took Kabul on 15 August, prompting the internationally backed Afghan government to flee.

About 5,800 US troops are currently guarding Kabul airport as thousands of foreign nationals and Afghans try to leave the country.

The Washington Post says the discussions are likely to have involved the deadline for the US military to conclude its airlift.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58320516

Jimbuna · 08-24-21, 11:58 AM

A Taliban spokesman has said Afghans should not go to the airport or try to leave the country.

At a press briefing, Zabihullah Mujahid also said that women should stay at home for now, for their safety.

US allies have warned they will not be able to evacuate all those fleeing the Taliban by 31 August.

The warning came as a G-7 summit was to hear allies press President Joe Biden to delay the withdrawal of US forces beyond that date.

But a senior US administration official told Reuters Biden was going to stick to the deadline.

mapuc · 08-24-21, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

The head of the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) secretly met the leader of the Taliban in Kabul in Monday, sources have told US media.

Neither the Taliban nor the CIA would confirm the reported meeting between William Burns and Mullah Baradar.

US President Joe Biden has set a deadline of 31 August for American forces to leave Afghanistan. Allies - including the UK - want an extension.

US forces have been in Afghanistan since 2001, following the 9/11 attacks.

Sources have told US news outlets, including the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Associated Press and broadcaster NPR about the CIA-Taliban meeting.

However, they gave few details.

If confirmed, this would be the highest-level contact between the US and the Taliban since the militants took Kabul on 15 August, prompting the internationally backed Afghan government to flee.

About 5,800 US troops are currently guarding Kabul airport as thousands of foreign nationals and Afghans try to leave the country.

The Washington Post says the discussions are likely to have involved the deadline for the US military to conclude its airlift.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58320516

It doesn't surprise me at all. USA knows China is on its way to take over and this is not what USA is interested in China getting influence in another country in this case Afghanistan.
In the near future Taliban will be seen as good allied to USA and not as a group of fanatic Islamic terror group.

Markus

Sean C · 08-24-21, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyborg322

They are smart and I don't think they want to push things so far that public opinion of them is swayed so far that the political leaders are ousted from office by voters,its debatable if Biden can recover from this even as things stand. Contravening the Hague agreement could lead to this even if they are not party to it their gameplay so far has been to come over as reasoned and liberators that will almost certainly change as troops pull out completely but it appear to be the plan and has been successful so far.

Simon

Yes, and they have even set up a "complaints" line that Afghans can call to report problems.

However, I think I could count the people they are fooling on one hand. And he lives in the White House.

mapuc · 08-24-21, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean C

Yes, and they have even set up a "complaints" line that Afghans can call to report problems.

However, I think I could count the people they are fooling on one hand. And he lives in the White House.

One !? I think you need to add a few more.
Our politician in EU would most likely believe it fully.

Markus

Skybird · 08-24-21, 03:27 PM

Tens of thousands who would be eligible by the promises once made to them, will be left behind. And many of them will pay with torture and assassination - their own and that of their families.

Their own fault? Maybe they should have learned from the way the Shia once were treated in Saddam'S Iraq. First they got encouzraged to raise against him, and then they were not helped bit oen just looked when he mowed them down with helicopters he was allowed to save from operation prohibition - for this task of moving them down, I assume?

Trust the West, get betrayed. Especially when you have billions of minerals and precious earths in your possession. The Brits betrayed the Middle East before. The French did it. It is a long lasting pattern.

It became known meanwhile that the Germans have tried to bring down the numbers of people eligible for evacuation by limiting the time oeriod that gets considere ddudirng which they must have worked for the Germans. It slimit to the last couplke fo years, not the full operation time. Of course, that they were not told when they signed in.

The betrayal of the US is caused by its economic greed and unwillingness to learn form history becasue some of its masterbrains of the past times thoguht they were so much more clever and knew things better.

The betrayal of the Germans was directed against themselves: to embark on a mission they were not militarily potent enough to even just get launched by themsleves (they had no air-logistical capacity to even get to Afghanistan by themselves...), or to operate air-mobile there, they always needed the American taxi service, for practically everything, and to serious mthink they could chnage Afghan society to a lasting effect with a naive operation like this. Thats widely the mistake the other European NATO members just copied.

It was absolutely forseeable, and I said from all beginning on that no other ending than this was the only one possible - that one would crawl away one day like a whipped dog after one has lost interest in the war and had gotten enough of it.

I wonder what dillettantees are doing the needed analysis and assessments that leads to misdsion assignmewnts like this. The military's own analysts it were not. Its always and once again the political superbrains who are never short of mighty powerful words and impressive phrases.

And this is the breed of rotten incompetent minds that even gets voted for time and again...! Bidne now poses as if he ahd always opposed rhe war.That is not true, he opposes it since just roughly teh years. When the US started the extension of the mission and the attempt of nation building - he supported it.

The excuses of "we couldnt have known" and "at least we tried it", I do not accept. One could and one should have knbown it form beginning on. And the try had no chance from beginning on to produce lastign results.

From all failings of the American-led West's modern adventures in the oriental wonderland, this is the most shameful. Desasters they were all, but this is the most shameful.

Cyborg322 · 08-25-21, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean C

Yes, and they have even set up a "complaints" line that Afghans can call to report problems.

However, I think I could count the people they are fooling on one hand. And he lives in the White House.

Its a case of believe what you want to hear to fit his agenda the thing is no one really knows what is many politcian's are doing the same negotiating with terrorist expecting us to except its the only solution and we should just trust the Taliban to carry out promises. Totally unbelievable and unacceptable.

The Dead in Deadline surely states what is going to happen next,shame on Biden

Biden address to congress

The War in Afghanistan, as we remember the debates here, were never meant to be multi-generational undertakings of nation-building. We went to Afghanistan to get terrorists — the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 — and we said we would follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell to do it. If you’ve been to the upper Kunar Valley, you’ve kind of seen the gates of hell. And we delivered justice to bin Laden. We degraded the terrorist threat of al Qaeda in Afghanistan. And after 20 years of value — valor and sacrifice, it’s time to bring those troops home. (Applause.)

Yes after you re-open the GATES OF HELL to allow the degraded al Qaeda threat back through

Cyborg322 · 08-25-21, 06:58 AM

US fears risk of Islamic State attack in Kabul
The longer the US stayed in the country, he said, there was an "acute and growing risk of an attack" by the group.

US media are reporting that troops are already starting to be evacuated if that is true he (Biden) is a least sticking to his plan of doing everything backwards

Skybird · 08-25-21, 07:23 AM

I think sticking with the time limit is the right thing to do. It is bitter, but for the following reason I think its correct:

Because every single day with reports on the chaos, images of the obvious defeat of the West and its shame gets produced and spread in the world. Its a giant propaganda show in which the defeated illustrates his inferior position and the pitiful outcome of a 20 years ambition. The Romans led the chieftains and leaders of defeated people around the streets of Rome during a victory parade, before they got executed. What we see in TV images from Afghanistan and the Airport Kabul now, pretty much serves the same purpose: disgracing the defeated Western powers, and namely the US. For the Taleban, its a giant propaganda coup. And all for free.

The mistakes have been made. The proper way to get out would have been to start with civil evacuations silenty and months ahead. And withdrawing in winter, not in summer. All mistakes possible have been made. The last mistake one could have done is to let this TV series of endless shameful pictures go on and on.

It gotta stop.

Jimbuna · 08-25-21, 07:25 AM

Evacuations from Kabul airport in Afghanistan pick up pace, with the total number leaving since the Taliban takeover reaching 82,300

US President Joe Biden says he aims to complete the operation - and US troop pull-out - by the 31 August deadline.

Some US troops have already started to leave as the effort enters its final phase.

US allies have pressed Biden to extend the timeframe.

There are fears thousands of Afghans who wish to flee the Taliban may be left behind.

The Taliban says the Afghans should not go to Kabul airport or try to leave the country.

Cyborg322 · 08-25-21, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

I think sticking with the time limit is the right thing to do. It is bitter, but for the following reason I think its correct:

Because every single day with reports on the chaos, images of the obvious defeat of the West and its shame gets produced and spread in the world. Its a giant propaganda show in which the defeated illustrates his inferior position and the pitiful outcome of a 20 years ambition. The Romans led the chieftains and leaders of defeated people around the streets of Rome during a victory parade, before they got executed. What we see in TV images from Afghanistan and the Airport Kabul now, pretty much serves the same purpose: disgracing the defeated Western powers, and namely the US. For the Taleban, its a giant propaganda coup. And all for free.

The mistakes have been made. The proper way to get out would have been to start with civil evacuations silenty and months ahead. And withdrawing in winter, not in summer. All mistakes possible have been made. The last mistake one could have done is to let this TV series of endless shameful pictures go on and on.

It gotta stop.

This is not the end its just the beginning we need to know whats going on. The Taliban needs to know that the world eyes are upon them

Jimbuna · 08-25-21, 08:07 AM

I'm wondering if the military equipment that can't be flown out will be destroyed or perhaps even boobytrapped.

08-24-21, 08:02 AM	#452
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,080 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	US allies warn they will not be able to evacuate all Afghans fleeing the Taliban by 31 August. The warning comes as a G-7 summit is to hear allies press President Joe Biden to delay the withdrawal of US forces beyond that date. US troops control Kabul airport from where some 58,700 people, mainly Afghans working for foreign forces, have been evacuated. The Taliban have warned of consequences if foreign troops are not withdrawn by the agreed deadline. The Taliban's treatment of women will be a red line, the UN warns at an emergency session of the Human Rights Council. Thousands of Afghans are trying to flee, fearing reprisals from the Taliban militants now in power. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-24-21, 09:54 AM	#453
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,573 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	How many in percentage who have escaped Afghanistan hasn't been working for the allied? I fully understand that we give shelter to those who have helped us there, but the rest, should they be saved ? Edit Last week the Danish Prime minister said that 45(who have helped Denmark) + family should be evacuated from Afghanistan to Denmark. Estimated 235-250 in total should be evacuated from Afghanistan. So far Denmark has evacuated 850. End edit Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat Last edited by mapuc; 08-24-21 at 11:32 AM.

08-24-21, 11:57 AM	#454
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,080 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The head of the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) secretly met the leader of the Taliban in Kabul in Monday, sources have told US media. Neither the Taliban nor the CIA would confirm the reported meeting between William Burns and Mullah Baradar. US President Joe Biden has set a deadline of 31 August for American forces to leave Afghanistan. Allies - including the UK - want an extension. US forces have been in Afghanistan since 2001, following the 9/11 attacks. Sources have told US news outlets, including the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Associated Press and broadcaster NPR about the CIA-Taliban meeting. However, they gave few details. If confirmed, this would be the highest-level contact between the US and the Taliban since the militants took Kabul on 15 August, prompting the internationally backed Afghan government to flee. About 5,800 US troops are currently guarding Kabul airport as thousands of foreign nationals and Afghans try to leave the country. The Washington Post says the discussions are likely to have involved the deadline for the US military to conclude its airlift. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58320516 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-24-21, 11:58 AM	#455
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,080 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	A Taliban spokesman has said Afghans should not go to the airport or try to leave the country. At a press briefing, Zabihullah Mujahid also said that women should stay at home for now, for their safety. US allies have warned they will not be able to evacuate all those fleeing the Taliban by 31 August. The warning came as a G-7 summit was to hear allies press President Joe Biden to delay the withdrawal of US forces beyond that date. But a senior US administration official told Reuters Biden was going to stick to the deadline. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-24-21, 03:27 PM	#459
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,728 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Tens of thousands who would be eligible by the promises once made to them, will be left behind. And many of them will pay with torture and assassination - their own and that of their families. Their own fault? Maybe they should have learned from the way the Shia once were treated in Saddam'S Iraq. First they got encouzraged to raise against him, and then they were not helped bit oen just looked when he mowed them down with helicopters he was allowed to save from operation prohibition - for this task of moving them down, I assume? Trust the West, get betrayed. Especially when you have billions of minerals and precious earths in your possession. The Brits betrayed the Middle East before. The French did it. It is a long lasting pattern. It became known meanwhile that the Germans have tried to bring down the numbers of people eligible for evacuation by limiting the time oeriod that gets considere ddudirng which they must have worked for the Germans. It slimit to the last couplke fo years, not the full operation time. Of course, that they were not told when they signed in. The betrayal of the US is caused by its economic greed and unwillingness to learn form history becasue some of its masterbrains of the past times thoguht they were so much more clever and knew things better. The betrayal of the Germans was directed against themselves: to embark on a mission they were not militarily potent enough to even just get launched by themsleves (they had no air-logistical capacity to even get to Afghanistan by themselves...), or to operate air-mobile there, they always needed the American taxi service, for practically everything, and to serious mthink they could chnage Afghan society to a lasting effect with a naive operation like this. Thats widely the mistake the other European NATO members just copied. It was absolutely forseeable, and I said from all beginning on that no other ending than this was the only one possible - that one would crawl away one day like a whipped dog after one has lost interest in the war and had gotten enough of it. I wonder what dillettantees are doing the needed analysis and assessments that leads to misdsion assignmewnts like this. *The military's own analysts it were not.* Its always and once again the political superbrains who are never short of mighty powerful words and impressive phrases. And this is the breed of rotten incompetent minds that even gets voted for time and again...! Bidne now poses as if he ahd always opposed rhe war.That is not true, he opposes it since just roughly teh years. When the US started the extension of the mission and the attempt of nation building - he supported it. The excuses of "we couldnt have known" and "at least we tried it", I do not accept. One could and one should have knbown it form beginning on. And the try had no chance from beginning on to produce lastign results. From all failings of the American-led West's modern adventures in the oriental wonderland, this is the most shameful. Desasters they were all, but this is the most shameful. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-25-21, 06:58 AM	#461
Cyborg322 Scurvy Dog of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Manchester England Posts: 1,125 Downloads: 390 Uploads: 0	US fears risk of Islamic State attack in Kabul The longer the US stayed in the country, he said, there was an "acute and growing risk of an attack" by the group. US media are reporting that troops are already starting to be evacuated if that is true he (Biden) is a least sticking to his plan of doing everything backwards __________________

08-25-21, 07:23 AM	#462
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,728 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I think sticking with the time limit is the right thing to do. It is bitter, but for the following reason I think its correct: Because every single day with reports on the chaos, images of the obvious defeat of the West and its shame gets produced and spread in the world. Its a giant propaganda show in which the defeated illustrates his inferior position and the pitiful outcome of a 20 years ambition. The Romans led the chieftains and leaders of defeated people around the streets of Rome during a victory parade, before they got executed. What we see in TV images from Afghanistan and the Airport Kabul now, pretty much serves the same purpose: disgracing the defeated Western powers, and namely the US. For the Taleban, its a giant propaganda coup. And all for free. The mistakes have been made. The proper way to get out would have been to start with civil evacuations silenty and months ahead. And withdrawing in winter, not in summer. All mistakes possible have been made. The last mistake one could have done is to let this TV series of endless shameful pictures go on and on. It gotta stop. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-25-21, 07:25 AM	#463
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,080 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Evacuations from Kabul airport in Afghanistan pick up pace, with the total number leaving since the Taliban takeover reaching 82,300 US President Joe Biden says he aims to complete the operation - and US troop pull-out - by the 31 August deadline. Some US troops have already started to leave as the effort enters its final phase. US allies have pressed Biden to extend the timeframe. There are fears thousands of Afghans who wish to flee the Taliban may be left behind. The Taliban says the Afghans should not go to Kabul airport or try to leave the country. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-25-21, 08:07 AM	#465
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,080 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I'm wondering if the military equipment that can't be flown out will be destroyed or perhaps even boobytrapped. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!