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Jimbuna · 08-02-21, 12:41 PM

No problem

les green01 · 08-04-21, 06:02 AM

i figure a solar panel for the electric cars just dont go where it is cloudy all the time

vienna · 08-06-21, 04:49 AM

The standard argument for the ICE crowd against electric vehicle propulsion seem s to center around questions of what happens when ...

!. The battery runs down....

2. The battery dies...

3. The driver ignores warning indicators and gets stranded...

Let's address each scenario:

1. You recharge the battery, in the same manner as you would refill a gas tank...

2. You replace the battery, much as in the same as you would a defective gas tank, fuel pump, or other fuel system component...

3. You either tow the vehicle to the nearest recharge station or, given the proposed new battery tech, do a roadside replacement of the battery...

In all the above cases, there is no distinct advantage of gas powered vehicles over electric vehicles; there are no real prohibitive differences to render electric powered vehicles as more unfeasible, unreliable, or over burdensome when compared to their ICE counterparts; the issue of recharging is becoming more moot by as time goes on; recharge stations are appearing in more places all the time and are far more convenient than gas stations; we have major shopping centers and malls here in SoCal where parking spaces have been set aside as charging stations so shoppers can charge their cars while they are busy shopping, which also means the actual range of the vehicles is extended by the extent of the charge period; in addition, some cities have been installing charging station kiosks along side the parking meters so you can charge up while parked on the street; add in the growing number of gas stations adding charging capabilities in addition to the usual gas pumps and the convenience of electric vehicles is ever expanding, and that is not taking into account the fact you can pretty much charge a car almost anywhere there is an electrical outlet...

Battery replacement has been raised as an issue, but many of he newer models now have replaceable batteries; there is also a move towards making the batteries easier to replace, mechanically, a situation that could be further aided by auto industry standardization of battery formats; there was a person on a news show recently who projected a scenario where, in addition to just being able to charge up, you could just possibly swap a spent battery for a fully charged battery for a fee, much in the same manner of, say, swapping out propane gas cylinders at your local hardware store; the person making the projection noted there is in development designs for a sort of tow truck like vehicle that will be outfitted with replacement batteries and the mechanisms needed to so the swap...

As far as the idiots who would run down a battery to its last amp/volt, well there are plenty of other idiots who blissfully ignore the "E" on their gas gauges, so the bottom line is there is no defense or compensating for idiots who will defy common sense; I recall when the middle stretch of Interstate % in CA opened up in 1972, it was a long, empty stretch of highway with no gas stations or other amenities of any kind for some 120 miles, nothing but a long fairly straight run in solitude; most reasonable people would take note of the situation and top up the gas tank at the last stations before the long stretch to ensure they could make the run, but there wee those who, for whatever mental deficiencies afflicted them, would try to make the run on rather less than full tanks; news reports, at that time, were filled with stories of those sad sacks stranded by the side of the desolate freeway having to wait until some rescue truck could aid them; remember, that was 1972, and there were no cell phones and roadside call boxes were several mile apart, so, unless you were luck enough to sputter out relatively near to a call box, you either had to wait for the truck or try to hoof it to a call box; I drove that stretch several times, delivering furniture, during the 'desert' period, and passed many who had falling to their follies; running out of gas was even worse at night, for them, because, in addition to no gas stations or roadside businesses for the entire stretch, there was also very little road lighting and the nights were very dark, indeed...

The local main LA transit system has been running their entire fleet on CNG for some time now and is in the process of going all electric; I was king of curious how they were going to manage some of the longer bus lines, some of which are 15-25 miles long, just one way, double that for a full round trip, several times a day; I'd heard one express lime, with limited stops (it runs as sort of a bus 'streetcar' line) known as the Orange Line was going to an all electric fleet and had put some of the new electric buses into service; I had some business to attend to in the far West San Fernando Valley and got there by regular CNG bus lines, since I had to make a few stops along the way; when I started to head home, I decided to get to the western terminus of the Orange Line since its eastern terminus connects to the subway which would take me directly into Hollywood, about a half mile from home; the Orange Line bus I got on was one of the new electric powered buses and it appeared all the transit agency did was replace the CNG power train in an existing bus with an electric one; the ride was very smooth and eerily quiet, with almost no sound on acceleration; the pickup on acceleration was noticeably faster than the CNG models; when we got to the eastern terminus, I noticed there was a sort of gantry-like apparatus in the bus bay just in front of the bus; when the bus parked in the bay, the gantry connected to a port on the top front of the bus and served as the recharging station for the bus; several of the other bay were also so equipped; since, by union rules, the driver has about 30 minutes between runs, it would seem the charging stations are sufficient to top off the batteries enough to keep them running all day...

I am of the thought that hydrogen power is the real future of vehicle; hydrogen production is relatively cheap and simple, it is extremely clean, and can be produced almost anywhere; there are hydrogen 'service stations' in a couple of the Scandinavian countries, and Japanese companies are starting to get involved in Japan, where the facilities to produce hydrogen gas are on site and thus do not require the trucking in of the fuel, so no danger on hydrogen gas tanker 'bombs' roving the streets and highways; as far s the argument about exploding hydrogen cars goes, below is a paper on the issue which goes into great technical detail on the issue; I would note, in my decades of life, I have either heard of or witnessed a goodly number of fossil fuel powered vehicles explode due to fire or accident, and have seen an awful lot of more recent cars, non-electric, burst into flames from fairly minor accidents; I don't why that is, but I suspect there may be somewhat more flammable material in newer cars that before...

RISK ASSESSMENT OF HYDROGEN EXPLOSION FOR
PRIVATE CAR WITH HYDROGEN-DRIVEN ENGINE --

https://h2tools.org/sites/default/fi...n%20Engine.pdf

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mapuc · 08-07-21, 04:45 PM

Wonder if this will push electric cars away from the street in the future ?

Quote:

Israel-based Aquarius Engines has unveiled a new hydrogen engine that may make reliance on both hydrogen fuel cells and fossil fuel a thing of the past. A small engine, weighing only 10 kg, is based on the same technology as their original patented single-piston-linear-engine but operates 100% on hydrogen, without the need for fuel cells.

https://www.inceptivemind.com/aquari...il-fuel/19110/

This comment should have been posted in our electric car thread Which I can't find.

Markus

Catfish · 08-07-21, 05:16 PM

^ every car with a combustion engine on the road now could be converted to burning hydrogen instead of 'gas' or fossil fuel without problem, instantly.
The energy balance would be still a problem because hydrogen has to be produced somehow, but hydrogen still has a better energy balance than electric vehicles.

I speak of energy balance because you have to take all energy and effort into account that has to be done to create a final product, not only what energy it needs to be kept running. And even if you only look at the latter, the electric car is far behind of coventional combustion engines.

All you do with electric engine is to shift your exhaust some miles away, to the power plants behind your horizon.

mapuc · 08-07-21, 05:24 PM

(from memory about the history of the car)

In the beginning the car was driven by electricity but it had it's limitations and disadvantages(here they mentioned a few)

The invention of the combustion engine and the skill of excrete Gasoline and Diesel from oil pushed the electric car into our history book.

With this in mind Could this engine do the same-Push todays electric cars into the history books ?

Markus

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08-04-21, 06:02 AM	#17
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08-06-21, 04:49 AM	#18
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,730 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	The standard argument for the ICE crowd against electric vehicle propulsion seem s to center around questions of what happens when ... !. The battery runs down.... 2. The battery dies... 3. The driver ignores warning indicators and gets stranded... Let's address each scenario: 1. You recharge the battery, in the same manner as you would refill a gas tank... 2. You replace the battery, much as in the same as you would a defective gas tank, fuel pump, or other fuel system component... 3. You either tow the vehicle to the nearest recharge station or, given the proposed new battery tech, do a roadside replacement of the battery... In all the above cases, there is no distinct advantage of gas powered vehicles over electric vehicles; there are no real prohibitive differences to render electric powered vehicles as more unfeasible, unreliable, or over burdensome when compared to their ICE counterparts; the issue of recharging is becoming more moot by as time goes on; recharge stations are appearing in more places all the time and are far more convenient than gas stations; we have major shopping centers and malls here in SoCal where parking spaces have been set aside as charging stations so shoppers can charge their cars while they are busy shopping, which also means the actual range of the vehicles is extended by the extent of the charge period; in addition, some cities have been installing charging station kiosks along side the parking meters so you can charge up while parked on the street; add in the growing number of gas stations adding charging capabilities in addition to the usual gas pumps and the convenience of electric vehicles is ever expanding, and that is not taking into account the fact you can pretty much charge a car almost anywhere there is an electrical outlet... Battery replacement has been raised as an issue, but many of he newer models now have replaceable batteries; there is also a move towards making the batteries easier to replace, mechanically, a situation that could be further aided by auto industry standardization of battery formats; there was a person on a news show recently who projected a scenario where, in addition to just being able to charge up, you could just possibly swap a spent battery for a fully charged battery for a fee, much in the same manner of, say, swapping out propane gas cylinders at your local hardware store; the person making the projection noted there is in development designs for a sort of tow truck like vehicle that will be outfitted with replacement batteries and the mechanisms needed to so the swap... As far as the idiots who would run down a battery to its last amp/volt, well there are plenty of other idiots who blissfully ignore the "E" on their gas gauges, so the bottom line is there is no defense or compensating for idiots who will defy common sense; I recall when the middle stretch of Interstate % in CA opened up in 1972, it was a long, empty stretch of highway with no gas stations or other amenities of any kind for some 120 miles, nothing but a long fairly straight run in solitude; most reasonable people would take note of the situation and top up the gas tank at the last stations before the long stretch to ensure they could make the run, but there wee those who, for whatever mental deficiencies afflicted them, would try to make the run on rather less than full tanks; news reports, at that time, were filled with stories of those sad sacks stranded by the side of the desolate freeway having to wait until some rescue truck could aid them; remember, that was 1972, and there were no cell phones and roadside call boxes were several mile apart, so, unless you were luck enough to sputter out relatively near to a call box, you either had to wait for the truck or try to hoof it to a call box; I drove that stretch several times, delivering furniture, during the 'desert' period, and passed many who had falling to their follies; running out of gas was even worse at night, for them, because, in addition to no gas stations or roadside businesses for the entire stretch, there was also very little road lighting and the nights were very dark, indeed... The local main LA transit system has been running their entire fleet on CNG for some time now and is in the process of going all electric; I was king of curious how they were going to manage some of the longer bus lines, some of which are 15-25 miles long, just one way, double that for a full round trip, several times a day; I'd heard one express lime, with limited stops (it runs as sort of a bus 'streetcar' line) known as the Orange Line was going to an all electric fleet and had put some of the new electric buses into service; I had some business to attend to in the far West San Fernando Valley and got there by regular CNG bus lines, since I had to make a few stops along the way; when I started to head home, I decided to get to the western terminus of the Orange Line since its eastern terminus connects to the subway which would take me directly into Hollywood, about a half mile from home; the Orange Line bus I got on was one of the new electric powered buses and it appeared all the transit agency did was replace the CNG power train in an existing bus with an electric one; the ride was very smooth and eerily quiet, with almost no sound on acceleration; the pickup on acceleration was noticeably faster than the CNG models; when we got to the eastern terminus, I noticed there was a sort of gantry-like apparatus in the bus bay just in front of the bus; when the bus parked in the bay, the gantry connected to a port on the top front of the bus and served as the recharging station for the bus; several of the other bay were also so equipped; since, by union rules, the driver has about 30 minutes between runs, it would seem the charging stations are sufficient to top off the batteries enough to keep them running all day... I am of the thought that hydrogen power is the real future of vehicle; hydrogen production is relatively cheap and simple, it is extremely clean, and can be produced almost anywhere; there are hydrogen 'service stations' in a couple of the Scandinavian countries, and Japanese companies are starting to get involved in Japan, where the facilities to produce hydrogen gas are on site and thus do not require the trucking in of the fuel, so no danger on hydrogen gas tanker 'bombs' roving the streets and highways; as far s the argument about exploding hydrogen cars goes, below is a paper on the issue which goes into great technical detail on the issue; I would note, in my decades of life, I have either heard of or witnessed a goodly number of fossil fuel powered vehicles explode due to fire or accident, and have seen an awful lot of more recent cars, non-electric, burst into flames from fairly minor accidents; I don't why that is, but I suspect there may be somewhat more flammable material in newer cars that before... RISK ASSESSMENT OF HYDROGEN EXPLOSION FOR PRIVATE CAR WITH HYDROGEN-DRIVEN ENGINE -- https://h2tools.org/sites/default/fi...n%20Engine.pdf <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

08-07-21, 05:16 PM	#20
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,820 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ every car with a combustion engine on the road now could be converted to burning hydrogen instead of 'gas' or fossil fuel without problem, instantly. The energy balance would be still a problem because hydrogen has to be produced somehow, but hydrogen still has a better energy balance than electric vehicles. I speak of energy balance because you have to take all energy and effort into account that has to be done to create a final product, not only what energy it needs to be kept running. And even if you only look at the latter, the electric car is far behind of coventional combustion engines. All you do with electric engine is to shift your exhaust some miles away, to the power plants behind your horizon. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

08-07-21, 05:24 PM	#21
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,617 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	(from memory about the history of the car) In the beginning the car was driven by electricity but it had it's limitations and disadvantages(here they mentioned a few) The invention of the combustion engine and the skill of excrete Gasoline and Diesel from oil pushed the electric car into our history book. With this in mind Could this engine do the same-Push todays electric cars into the history books ? Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat