"The central problem with smartphone use today...

3catcircus · 06-25-21, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

New mobiles and tablets offer no possibility to remove the battery, but even then internal capacitors etc. could still run the device for a while, but i digress. Everything you search, type in, look at, at which time you use it, for what, your position, the direction of your current moving and so on can and is being detected.

And this are only the so-called metadata. The providers are also using algorhythms to predict what you will buy, what interests you, where you will go tomorrow and so on, it is all being stored. Permanently. You also get a "score" evaluating your financial capabilities, your political views, and all else.
They have your face (unlock your phone by looking at it - camera - sent - stored), they have your fingerprints, all you call privacy is gone.

Any phone can be switched on by remote, maybe only microphone, camera, movement detectors, or altogether, without the user being aware of it. Since people nowadays write their thoughts directly into facebook, to Whatsapp, you name it, it is all being exploited and stored, and no one seems to have any problem with that. It is all only for your wellbeing, of course.

edit: all new Samsung TVs have cameras and microphones. While you can switch off the camera (if you really can, no way to control), you cannot switch off the microphone. So all you say and comment, behaviour during films, advertising and whatever, is being recorded, and processed. Samsung openly admits this, all for your benefit and to "widen the user experience". Samsung is not the only one, but was the first to openly admit it.

I am always wondering how and why certain types of people willingly develop tools and methods that will make the life of their children and grandchildren unbearable.

The only winning move is to not play the game...

If you have a "smart tv" the best you can do is set it to use a wired internet connection and never enter a wifi password. You *are* set up with a hidden SSID and require a password, right?

Catfish · 06-25-21, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 3catcircus

The only winning move is to not play the game...

Well you usually can't, when you have a job and want to keep it. I agree that the whole only intensifies pressure and makes people sick, apart from being exploited by all kinds of listeners.

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If you have a "smart tv" the best you can do is set it to use a wired internet connection and never enter a wifi password. You *are* set up with a hidden SSID and require a password, right?

If you watch anything over the 'net, there has to be an authentication, and (in this case) a connection to Samsung. SSID and password will not help you.
Same with Google's fire tv, though not sure about Apple.

Skybird · 06-25-21, 07:29 AM

I wonder to what degree modern TV can link up with Mother while not needing the internet (via the TV signal cable)? When i bought my current Samsung TV some years ago, it updated its firmware although it still was not connected to the WLAN (and isn't).

The risk of permanent records is that they never forget. And if the legal situations change in your country, they also may never forgive. You may find data being used against you about which and about its related actions and events you already have forgotten since years. In fact this is the explicit logic and desire behind big data preventive collection and storing.

Governments, and that explicitly includes Western governments please, not just the usually mentioned villains, love big data and total control, thats why their interest to get there, and the industry's interest to get there, are complementary. "Disputes" about privacy protection when big corproatiosn pose as if they were the last defenders of safety against governments and legislation, are a charade only.

Is there even a brand left producing non-"smart" TVs?

This all is deeply worrying. Like every weapon-capable technology has been used for making weapons indeed every technology allowing to corrupt power and to amass control - will be used for this. Laws and single politicians will not change that.

And once cash money has been forbidden, you cannot avoid having a smartphone or credit card, obviously. They will always find maliciously weaseling ways to enforce their intentions without offering opportunities to call them out for it and call thigns by their real names.

The idea do give every baby a single unique number at its birth to which all future records and actions get linked, also is pushing at this direction. Democracy is a model phasing out. The future speaks Totalitarian. Even in Europe. Even in the US. Everywhere. Technology makes it possible and paves the way.

vienna · 06-25-21, 08:45 AM

The extent to which users really don't have total control over their cellphones, or any other connected devices is really surprising; many seemingly otherwise benign apps can exert appalling degrees of control over your phone and, what's worse is the users themselves are giving the apps actual permission to hijack their phones; for almost all apps, there appears, just before installation, a checkbox of some kind where the app, in a usually cursory manner will ask for your permission to do certain things on your phone or have specific access to parts of your phone; the average user, in their eagerness to have the latest and greatest app, will just blithely check the "OK" box and hit "Install", not really giving much of a glance at what they just agreed to, much as an awful lot of people do when they are presented with a EULA or Privacy Notice; I found that I had to have a 'smartphone' because so much of my medial communications were based on enhanced text messages, etc., that my trusty flip phone couldn't handle (Leroy Jethro and I are of similar mind; when I got my smartphone, I did try putting on a very few apps, at first, but soon noticed, even though I disabled the phone's data or WiFi connections after I used either, I would later open the phone for use and find either or both actively engaged; then there was an occasion when I discovered a couple of images I had stored on the phone had disappeared (fortunately, I had already copied them to my PC); it turned out a couple of the apps I had installed were able to turn on WiFi and/or data connections and at least one was able to 'see' and delete images stored on my phone, and those apps were well-known, 'reputable' apps from major providers; needles to say, they were quickly uninstalled and deleted from the phones app library (something you should do if you uninstall an app and really don't want it anymore; apps still left in the library uninstalled still take up storage space and a few can even self-reinstall if another related app finds them on your phone and reactivates them); I now never install any app that makes unnecessary or intrusive access demands as a condition of installation, regardless of how temping the app may be; so far, none of the medically based apps I have had to install have been on condition of relegation of some phone control, but I suspect that has more to do with HIPPA laws than any altruism of the medical entities; if they should ever make unreasonable demands for use, I'm not sure what I will do...

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3catcircus · 06-27-21, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Well you usually can't, when you have a job and want to keep it. I agree that the whole only intensifies pressure and makes people sick, apart from being exploited by all kinds of listeners.

If you watch anything over the 'net, there has to be an authentication, and (in this case) a connection to Samsung. SSID and password will not help you.
Same with Google's fire tv, though not sure about Apple.

Don't know about you, but my work phone and my personal phone are different. My work phone is owned by the company - I do *nothing* with it other than work email, work calls, and occasional web browsing to find restaurants when in business travel. I take no pics or videos with it, and I text no one outside of work contacts.

For a while they allowed you to use your own phone with the Good app installed in it. Uh, yeah, no. I'm not sharing my personal phone with the company...

August · 06-30-21, 04:49 PM

You really want to isolate your phone from snoopers just put it in a metal box. It won't hear or see anything until you take it back out.

Rockstar · 07-03-21, 07:50 PM

I think every government even my own must be able to monitor communications over the airwaves. I think it’s necessary for its own self preservation. What I am concerned about is the corruption aspect where people use information for personal gain.

Reece · 07-03-21, 08:58 PM

My 2 cents: The internet is the devils highway!!

Rockstar · 07-04-21, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Reece

My 2 cents: The internet is the devils highway!!

06-25-21, 07:29 AM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,634 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I wonder to what degree modern TV can link up with Mother while not needing the internet (via the TV signal cable)? When i bought my current Samsung TV some years ago, it updated its firmware although it still was not connected to the WLAN (and isn't). The risk of permanent records is that they never forget. And if the legal situations change in your country, they also may never forgive. You may find data being used against you about which and about its related actions and events you already have forgotten since years. In fact this is the explicit logic and desire behind big data preventive collection and storing. Governments, and that explicitly includes Western governments please, not just the usually mentioned villains, love big data and total control, thats why their interest to get there, and the industry's interest to get there, are complementary. "Disputes" about privacy protection when big corproatiosn pose as if they were the last defenders of safety against governments and legislation, are a charade only. Is there even a brand left producing non-"smart" TVs? This all is deeply worrying. Like every weapon-capable technology has been used for making weapons indeed every technology allowing to corrupt power and to amass control - will be used for this. Laws and single politicians will not change that. And once cash money has been forbidden, you cannot avoid having a smartphone or credit card, obviously. They will always find maliciously weaseling ways to enforce their intentions without offering opportunities to call them out for it and call thigns by their real names. The idea do give every baby a single unique number at its birth to which all future records and actions get linked, also is pushing at this direction. Democracy is a model phasing out. The future speaks Totalitarian. Even in Europe. Even in the US. Everywhere. Technology makes it possible and paves the way. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 06-25-21 at 07:40 AM.

06-25-21, 08:45 AM	#4
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,712 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	The extent to which users really don't have total control over their cellphones, or any other connected devices is really surprising; many seemingly otherwise benign apps can exert appalling degrees of control over your phone and, what's worse is the users themselves are giving the apps actual permission to hijack their phones; for almost all apps, there appears, just before installation, a checkbox of some kind where the app, in a usually cursory manner will ask for your permission to do certain things on your phone or have specific access to parts of your phone; the average user, in their eagerness to have the latest and greatest app, will just blithely check the "OK" box and hit "Install", not really giving much of a glance at what they just agreed to, much as an awful lot of people do when they are presented with a EULA or Privacy Notice; I found that I had to have a 'smartphone' because so much of my medial communications were based on enhanced text messages, etc., that my trusty flip phone couldn't handle (Leroy Jethro and I are of similar mind; when I got my smartphone, I did try putting on a very few apps, at first, but soon noticed, even though I disabled the phone's data or WiFi connections after I used either, I would later open the phone for use and find either or both actively engaged; then there was an occasion when I discovered a couple of images I had stored on the phone had disappeared (fortunately, I had already copied them to my PC); it turned out a couple of the apps I had installed were able to turn on WiFi and/or data connections and at least one was able to 'see' and delete images stored on my phone, and those apps were well-known, 'reputable' apps from major providers; needles to say, they were quickly uninstalled and deleted from the phones app library (something you should do if you uninstall an app and really don't want it anymore; apps still left in the library uninstalled still take up storage space and a few can even self-reinstall if another related app finds them on your phone and reactivates them); I now never install any app that makes unnecessary or intrusive access demands as a condition of installation, regardless of how temping the app may be; so far, none of the medically based apps I have had to install have been on condition of relegation of some phone control, but I suspect that has more to do with HIPPA laws than any altruism of the medical entities; if they should ever make unreasonable demands for use, I'm not sure what I will do... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

06-30-21, 04:49 PM	#6
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,199 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You really want to isolate your phone from snoopers just put it in a metal box. It won't hear or see anything until you take it back out. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

07-03-21, 08:58 PM	#8
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,718 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	My 2 cents: The internet is the devils highway!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

07-03-21, 07:50 PM	#7
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I think every government even my own must be able to monitor communications over the airwaves. I think it’s necessary for its own self preservation. What I am concerned about is the corruption aspect where people use information for personal gain.