US Politics Thread 2021-24 - Page 92

Rockstar · 06-15-21, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Did you know it? In past years, US imports of Russian oil had climbed from 0.5% of all American imports to over 7%. Last year tbe US imported more oil from Russia than from Saudi Arabia.
Wrote Blomberg.

Thats good intel. It would appear then there may be some disparity between the LatestHeadline-anon and reality.

Rockstar · 06-15-21, 02:00 PM

Just throwing darts here.

Obviously neither Germany or the U.S. really needs to buy more Russian energy. But we are, and by doing so would that purchase power have an influence over those select few we are making rich help see things our way in the way of regime change?

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

Russia's weaknesses lie in the economic domains

Russia's greatest vulnerability, in any competition with the United States, is its economy, which is comparatively small and highly dependent on energy exports.
The Russian leadership's greatest anxiety stems from the stability and durability of the regime.

The most promising measures to stress Russia are in the realms of energy production and international pressure

Continuing to expand U.S. energy production in all forms, including renewables, and encouraging other countries to do the same would maximize pressure on Russia's export receipts and thus on its national and defense budgets. Alone among the many measures looked at in this report, this one comes with the least cost or risk.
Sanctions can also limit Russia's economic potential. To be effective, however, these need to be multilateral, involving (at a minimum) the European Union, which is Russia's largest customer and greatest source of technology and capital, larger in all these respects than the United States.

Catfish · 06-15-21, 02:21 PM

^ You are somehow right, as i may have said earlier (ten years ago?

)
But why always kick against Russia, i mean it's not even 'communist' anymore.

I do not know for sure of course, but i think China is a much bigger threat, and i do not even mean weapon-wise. Whatever you or I think about Putin he is dependable in a blunt basic way, and he has always stuck to treaties as long as they were useful for him and others.
As someone else wrote Russia is able to disrupt things like digital controls, but it is not a threat in a long-term strategy of the US, let alone the nations of Europe. The west treats Russia like an underdog, as it did directly after 1990.. this is neither reasonable nor a wise "strategy".
You know i am not reluctant when it is about calling Putin out, but imho he makes a lot more sense than his predecessors.
Sending Josep Borrel to Russia without having any say or message was a very stupid thing to do, and there's no one but the EU to blame.

It is idiotic of the EU to show hurried-ahead (right words?) obedience to what it thinks the US wants, and thus unnecessarily raising tensions between the EU and Russia. It makes even less sense to officially damn our neighbour all the time but accepting all the advantages without ever mentioning them.

Rockstar · 06-15-21, 02:56 PM

Agreed, China is the bigger socalled threat. So why give Russia such a hard time? Because I think it would be easier to direct China if Russia wasnt developing closer investment and economic ties, and selling advanced arms and technology to China. To put the squeeze on Russia is to put the squeeze China.

Just dont expect me to support idiot extremists and neo nazis to further those goals.

mapuc · 06-15-21, 03:00 PM

The real big crisis will come the day China has pushed USA off the throne as the leading military and world police.

EU will lose too as China will take-over their sphere of interest.

It's only a matter of time before they have done it fully.

They(China)Will conquer the world with...no not military, but with money.

Markus

Rockstar · 06-15-21, 04:56 PM

Now here someone who has credentials I can support and doesnt have extremist skeletons in her closet. Unlike the first two clowns Navalny and Protasevich.

https://www.rt.com/russia/503675-tik...sition-figure/

3catcircus · 06-16-21, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

The real big crisis will come the day China has pushed USA off the throne as the leading military and world police.

EU will lose too as China will take-over their sphere of interest.

It's only a matter of time before they have done it fully.

They(China)Will conquer the world with...no not military, but with money.

Markus

It's not even "dethroning" the US - it's everyone. China has imperialist ambitions across the entire planet. Disputes over oil and fishing in the Pacific. Belt and Road programs across Africa, Middle East and Asia, as well as Latin America. Infiltration of western institutions and governments. Infiltrastion of Eastern European and Slavic institutions and governments. Continuous and ongoing military and industrial espionage and IP theft. Brutal repression of minorities that makes racism in the US and colonialist western brutality in past years look like a carnival of fun and excitement in comparison.

The sheer arrogance of building on Indian soil or throwing a pile of rocks into the sea a few miles off the coast of Asian neighbors and declaring the entire ocean to be theirs'. The blatant exploitation of fishing grounds in other countries' coastal waters by huge commercial fleets. The horribly-mannered tourists who make American tourists look positively well-behaved.

China under the CCP is an insidious existential threat to the rest of the world. Western conservatives have warned about China for decades - and western liberals have pooh-poohed them while excusing China's bad behavior by claiming that as they got economically richer, they would become more western in their outlook.

August · 06-16-21, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Did you know it? In past years, US imports of Russian oil had climbed from 0.5% of all American imports to over 7%. Last year tbe US imported more oil from Russia than from Saudi Arabia.
Wrote Blomberg.

What a load of crap. Imports of all kinds fell through the floor last year. Pretending that percentages of nothing is somehow meaningful is just stupid.

Skybird · 06-16-21, 04:55 PM

https://www.spglobal.com/platts/en/m...e-souring-ties

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ising-tensions

August · 06-16-21, 04:57 PM

Like I said, crap.

mapuc · 06-16-21, 05:00 PM

Watched about an hour CNN earlier today(before the football) there were guest in the studio talking about this meeting.

The host said-Which things do think Biden will discuss with Putin
Will he discuss Russia interference the American election

I looked at them I thought-What if Biden didn't discuss these thing-What if they only had a good friendship talk.

I have zero clue about diplomacy.

Markus

Skybird · 06-16-21, 05:30 PM

Putin got what he wanted.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/16/e...cmd/index.html

mapuc · 06-16-21, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Putin got what he wanted.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/16/e...cmd/index.html

Would it be incorrect to say-Here USA should have a Reagan as their President and not Biden or Trump.

Markus

Gorpet · 06-17-21, 04:14 AM

I was astonished today. At the failure of the Democrat Party and their puppet Joe to bring a gift from the American people to The President of the Soviet Federation.And he did not fall on his knees,WTF Our president Joe offered a crystal clear 4 dollar tourist replica of a Buffalo and his signature aviation sunglasses as a gift from the American people.
After 4 yrs of The Democrat's accusing Putin and his country of outright meddling in our elections and up to murder .With no solid proof whatsoever Joe and his party reps flies the biggest polluting jet on this planet over there for a photo op with the bobble heads of the G7.
Ok so after that now we are on to the big meet that was requested by the democrats the day after Joes inauguration.So here we are 6/16/21 And the American President is going to put the President of the Soviet Federation in his place by telling him what his mother told him. And as he looks into his eyes this time he does not see a man with no soul. But a Dog Face Pony Soldier.At the end of a very expensive trip for all taxpayers. 1 honest reporter summed it up correctly ,what they achieved here today could have done in a 20 minute phone call.

Catfish · 06-17-21, 05:10 AM

"Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves.
Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here?
Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?"

06-15-21, 02:00 PM	#1367
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Just throwing darts here. Obviously neither Germany or the U.S. really needs to buy more Russian energy. But we are, and by doing so would that purchase power have an influence over those select few we are making rich help see things our way in the way of regime change? https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html Russia's weaknesses lie in the economic domains Russia's greatest vulnerability, in any competition with the United States, is its economy, which is comparatively small and highly dependent on energy exports. The Russian leadership's greatest anxiety stems from the stability and durability of the regime. The most promising measures to stress Russia are in the realms of energy production and international pressure Continuing to expand U.S. energy production in all forms, including renewables, and encouraging other countries to do the same would maximize pressure on Russia's export receipts and thus on its national and defense budgets. Alone among the many measures looked at in this report, this one comes with the least cost or risk. Sanctions can also limit Russia's economic potential. To be effective, however, these need to be multilateral, involving (at a minimum) the European Union, which is Russia's largest customer and greatest source of technology and capital, larger in all these respects than the United States.

06-15-21, 02:21 PM	#1368
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,817 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ You are somehow right, as i may have said earlier (ten years ago? ) But why always kick against Russia, i mean it's not even 'communist' anymore. I do not know for sure of course, but i think China is a much bigger threat, and i do not even mean weapon-wise. Whatever you or I think about Putin he is dependable in a blunt basic way, and he has always stuck to treaties as long as they were useful for him and others. As someone else wrote Russia is able to disrupt things like digital controls, but it is not a threat in a long-term strategy of the US, let alone the nations of Europe. The west treats Russia like an underdog, as it did directly after 1990.. this is neither reasonable nor a wise "strategy". You know i am not reluctant when it is about calling Putin out, but imho he makes a lot more sense than his predecessors. Sending Josep Borrel to Russia without having any say or message was a very stupid thing to do, and there's no one but the EU to blame. It is idiotic of the EU to show hurried-ahead (right words?) obedience to what it thinks the US wants, and thus unnecessarily raising tensions between the EU and Russia. It makes even less sense to officially damn our neighbour all the time but accepting all the advantages without ever mentioning them. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

06-15-21, 02:56 PM	#1369
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Agreed, China is the bigger socalled threat. So why give Russia such a hard time? Because I think it would be easier to direct China if Russia wasnt developing closer investment and economic ties, and selling advanced arms and technology to China. To put the squeeze on Russia is to put the squeeze China. Just dont expect me to support idiot extremists and neo nazis to further those goals. Last edited by Rockstar; 06-15-21 at 03:08 PM.

06-15-21, 03:00 PM	#1370
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,599 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	The real big crisis will come the day China has pushed USA off the throne as the leading military and world police. EU will lose too as China will take-over their sphere of interest. It's only a matter of time before they have done it fully. They(China)Will conquer the world with...no not military, but with money. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

06-16-21, 04:55 PM	#1374
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,752 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	https://www.spglobal.com/platts/en/m...e-souring-ties https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ising-tensions __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-15-21, 04:56 PM	#1371
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Now here someone who has credentials I can support and doesnt have extremist skeletons in her closet. Unlike the first two clowns Navalny and Protasevich. https://www.rt.com/russia/503675-tik...sition-figure/

06-16-21, 04:57 PM	#1375
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,244 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Like I said, crap. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

06-16-21, 05:00 PM	#1376
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,599 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Watched about an hour CNN earlier today(before the football) there were guest in the studio talking about this meeting. The host said-Which things do think Biden will discuss with Putin Will he discuss Russia interference the American election I looked at them I thought-What if Biden didn't discuss these thing-What if they only had a good friendship talk. I have zero clue about diplomacy. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

06-16-21, 05:30 PM	#1377
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,752 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Putin got what he wanted. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/16/e...cmd/index.html __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-17-21, 04:14 AM	#1379
Gorpet Still Searching Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: A country in Evolution Posts: 1,038 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Joe Biden gets a piece of the cake before he is shoveled into History I was astonished today. At the failure of the Democrat Party and their puppet Joe to bring a gift from the American people to The President of the Soviet Federation.And he did not fall on his knees,WTF Our president Joe offered a crystal clear 4 dollar tourist replica of a Buffalo and his signature aviation sunglasses as a gift from the American people. After 4 yrs of The Democrat's accusing Putin and his country of outright meddling in our elections and up to murder .With no solid proof whatsoever Joe and his party reps flies the biggest polluting jet on this planet over there for a photo op with the bobble heads of the G7. Ok so after that now we are on to the big meet that was requested by the democrats the day after Joes inauguration.So here we are 6/16/21 And the American President is going to put the President of the Soviet Federation in his place by telling him what his mother told him. And as he looks into his eyes this time he does not see a man with no soul. But a Dog Face Pony Soldier.At the end of a very expensive trip for all taxpayers. 1 honest reporter summed it up correctly ,what they achieved here today could have done in a 20 minute phone call.

06-17-21, 05:10 AM	#1380
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,817 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	"Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves. Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?" __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.