US Politics Thread 2021-24 - Page 82

mapuc · 05-21-21, 05:33 PM

The problem is the entire world.

What we European do is pointing fingers at USA, China and Russia

The same does these three country.

It's easy to criticize your neighbours lawn.

Markus

Reece · 05-21-21, 07:39 PM

Our neighbor doesn't have a lawn!

Skybird · 05-22-21, 06:08 AM

And we, we do not even have a mower!

August · 05-22-21, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Really. Why don't you go at last. I thought the biggest problems of today's world are Russia and the US, and China.

Rockstar · 05-22-21, 12:45 PM

Biden, Reversing Trump, Permits a Key Putin Goal: a New Russian Natural Gas Pipeline to Germany

That Trump was controlled by Putin and served his agenda was the opposite of reality. First Obama, and now Biden, have accommodated Moscow far more.

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That the Kremlin had taken over American political institutions through its blackmail control of former President Donald Trump was a media conspiracy theory as pervasive as it was deranged. This once-exciting script was excavated from the CIA’s Cold War basement, dusted off by their operatives, and then kicked off by the intelligence community’s purposeful dissemination of the now-debunked Steele Dossier. And once this fairy tale was launched, there were seemingly no limits on the depths to which media figures would sink to promote it.

... The Trump administration caused a halt to the project in 2019 when it imposed sanctions on companies working on it. Trump did everything he could to pressure, cajole and even threaten the Germans to pull out of the deal, warning that it would leave a winter-plagued Europe captive to Russian pressure and insisting that Berlin had the obligation to buy gas from the U.S., not Russia, given NATO expenditures to protect Germans. Trump even tried to pull close to 10,000 U.S. troops out of Germany to pressure the Merkel government, but the pro-war alliance of hawkish Democrats and Liz-Cheney-led neocon Republicans voted to defund that effort.

...Any minimally rational or honest media would have taken note of these events and instantly realized that their years-long conspiracy theory about Trump being controlled by Putin was sophomoric nonsense, the opposite of the truth. That a Putin-controlled Russian asset would send lethal arms to Ukraine and do everything possible to sabotage Nord Stream 2 is so blatantly absurd that it could be ratified only by a media aggressively committed to spreading disinformation and lies.
All of this became even clearer on Tuesday when President Biden reversed Trump’s blockage of the Russian natural gas pipeline. Axios' Jonathan Swan reported that “the Biden administration will waive sanctions on the corporate entity and CEO overseeing the construction of Russia’s Nord Stream 2 pipeline into Germany,” which “indicates the Biden administration is not willing to compromise its relationship with Germany over this pipeline.”

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/bid...-permits-a-key

Texas Red · 05-24-21, 06:36 AM

To be honest, whenever a new president comes in, he will change whatever the former President put into place. Especially with what Trump did in his presidential years, I can imagine that Biden would change anything he could because of the general attitude of the democratic party towards Trump.

And when a new Republican president does come in, he will change anything the former Democratic president put into place too.

ET2SN · 05-26-21, 03:42 PM

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Onkel Neal · 05-26-21, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Biden, Reversing Trump, Permits a Key Putin Goal: a New Russian Natural Gas Pipeline to Germany

Sorry, I haven't been keeping up but how does Biden or any other US President have diddly to say about a pipeline between Germany and Russia?

MaDef · 05-26-21, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Sorry, I haven't been keeping up but how does Biden or any other US President have diddly to say about a pipeline between Germany and Russia?

Might have something to do with the 35,000+ military servicemen stationed in Germany. And NATO membership may have something to do with it also .

Rockstar · 05-26-21, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Sorry, I haven't been keeping up but how does Biden or any other US President have diddly to say about a pipeline between Germany and Russia?

No president has the right to directly interfere and say it can't be done. But they did try their damndest to stop that pipeline with sanctions, politics and headlines.

I wouldnt doubt we're backing the German Green Party too. Who just so happen to echo our own policies and like us are also against NS2, but for environmental reasons.

mapuc · 05-29-21, 05:15 PM

Poll: 15-20% of Americans believe in core QAnon conspiracy theories

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Fifteen percent of all Americans and 23% of Republicans said they agree that “the government, media, and financial worlds in the U.S. are controlled by a group of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex trafficking operation.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs...iracy-theories

Harsh accusation I must say. NO I don't believe a word of it.

What scares me, is the number 15-20 % 1 out of 5 Americans.

Markus

Skybird · 05-29-21, 05:41 PM

While germany benefits from US troops presence in terms of security, that presence cannot change the fact that geostrategically the US has tremendously lost interest - and capacities - to see the defence of all Europe as a top priority any longer. The challenge by China is too big for that, binds too much attention, necessarily.

What opportunistically gets ignored by some, however, is that Germany is neveretehless of huge interest for the US global military operations due to its relevance as a logistical, intel, remote control, comms and infrastructure centrepoint that is key for US gobal operations to the Indian ocean, the Gulf, the ME, Africa.

Its not complete to say just Germany has an interest in US troops staying. The US interest to keep the logistics platform and established infrastructure network of germany for its military global operationability, maybe is even higher. That could be shifted to another country, yes. But it would cost years of construction and billions in investments into the infrastructure of lets say Poland. And it would bring these non-combatting facilities closer to the Russians.

Its silly to mix Nordstream 2 and NATO affairs. Its apples and oranges. Last time I checked these looked differently, had different colours, and tasted differently.

However, as I alreayd said some days ago, the Russians have overstepped the curve. We should indeed cancel Nordstream 2 - and the other pipelines as well, and ending the so-called Petersburg dialogue and also the air travel between them and us. Also no more Hermes credits by the national government for business investements in Russia, and a reduction of business cooperations and initiatives. Chances for this happening, are nill. The germans, since the time before WW1 already, are very russophile. Many Germans - though not all - feel closer to the Russians, than to the Anglosaxons. During the Russian revolution already the Germans had great sympathy and understanding and transfigured their perception of the Russian misery.Whereas the anglosaxons sicne always have been mocked and looked down on as cold-hearted chandler's souls (Krämerseelen).

The germans must learn that an economy as export-dependent as the German one, is no strong economy, but a very weak economy. Being at the mercy of external factors one has no control over, is no strength, but dependency, weakness.

Not needing others that much, autarky - that is what raises your degrees of freedom, the number of options you can choose from - that is what is strength.

Thats why I am furious about this desastrous political thing named Merkel. She has spend 16 years to maximise Germany's weaknesses and dependencies and has systematically consummed reserves, without building new ones - but increasing Germany's liabilities. She is not as bad as the Nazis were, but she is the worst political desaster in Europe and Germany since the Nazis.

And it promsies to become much worse with the next government, no matter who wins national elections in Septembre.

Rockstar · 05-29-21, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Harsh accusation I must say. NO I don't believe a word of it.

What scares me, is the number 15-20 % 1 out of 5 Americans.

Markus

I dont know if I could mantain composure if I was asked that by a pollster. But I would have fun and check ya, sure I believe it doesn't everybody?

Catfish · 05-30-21, 02:55 PM

The general trend is not created by a few trying to trick the media, unfortunatey those are a real minority

Rockstar · 05-30-21, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

The general trend is not created by a few trying to trick the media, unfortunatey those are a real minority

Collusion conspiracies, Bounty conspiracies, blackmail conspiracies, russian election hacking conspiracies, treason conspiracies. Seems the world is filled with gullible idiots.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,754 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	While germany benefits from US troops presence in terms of security, that presence cannot change the fact that geostrategically the US has tremendously lost interest - and capacities - to see the defence of all Europe as a top priority any longer. The challenge by China is too big for that, binds too much attention, necessarily. What opportunistically gets ignored by some, however, is that Germany is neveretehless of huge interest for the US global military operations due to its relevance as a logistical, intel, remote control, comms and infrastructure centrepoint that is key for US gobal operations to the Indian ocean, the Gulf, the ME, Africa. Its not complete to say just Germany has an interest in US troops staying. The US interest to keep the logistics platform and established infrastructure network of germany for its military global operationability, maybe is even higher. That could be shifted to another country, yes. But it would cost years of construction and billions in investments into the infrastructure of lets say Poland. And it would bring these non-combatting facilities closer to the Russians. Its silly to mix Nordstream 2 and NATO affairs. Its apples and oranges. Last time I checked these looked differently, had different colours, and tasted differently. However, as I alreayd said some days ago, the Russians have overstepped the curve. We should indeed cancel Nordstream 2 - and the other pipelines as well, and ending the so-called Petersburg dialogue and also the air travel between them and us. Also no more Hermes credits by the national government for business investements in Russia, and a reduction of business cooperations and initiatives. Chances for this happening, are nill. The germans, since the time before WW1 already, are very russophile. Many Germans - though not all - feel closer to the Russians, than to the Anglosaxons. During the Russian revolution already the Germans had great sympathy and understanding and transfigured their perception of the Russian misery.Whereas the anglosaxons sicne always have been mocked and looked down on as cold-hearted chandler's souls (Krämerseelen). The germans must learn that an economy as export-dependent as the German one, is no strong economy, but a very weak economy. Being at the mercy of external factors one has no control over, is no strength, but dependency, weakness. Not needing others that much, autarky - that is what raises your degrees of freedom, the number of options you can choose from - that is what is strength. Thats why I am furious about this desastrous political thing named Merkel. She has spend 16 years to maximise Germany's weaknesses and dependencies and has systematically consummed reserves, without building new ones - but increasing Germany's liabilities. She is not as bad as the Nazis were, but she is the worst political desaster in Europe and Germany since the Nazis. And it promsies to become much worse with the next government, no matter who wins national elections in Septembre. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 05-29-21 at 05:52 PM.

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