Plan A Simulation

Sean C · 05-17-21, 04:17 AM

I don't think our end will be nuclear war. Call me a hopeless optimist, but I think we'll go out with a whimper - not a bang.

There are some crazy people on this planet. And some of those people have a lot of power. But not all the power. And those that are close to having all the power don't want to lose it.

People like Kim Jong Un know that if they push that button, everything they have ever known will be erased. Along with their legacy. And Jong Un's generals know that, too. Besides, they're probably too scared their own missile will fall short and kill them. I would be.

China ... pffft. We're their cash cow.

Putin isn't a dumbass. And I think [hope] some people in Iran still remember being the most progressive middle-eastern country ever. Pakistan ... is kind of crazy, but not that crazy IMHO. Same goes for India.

There is one group that I think might be crazy enough to do it.

Jimbuna · 05-17-21, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean C

There is one group that I think might be crazy enough to do it.

Then please enlighten us

mapuc · 05-17-21, 09:45 AM

When I read your threads it happens often that I get a Deja vu even in this case.

I recall many of these documentary and news program from the 80's where Reagan was President and Minuteman was being placed in Europe, mostly in Germany while the Russian SS20 was placed in Poland, East Germany a.s.o

From this I remember what these Military people and politicians said.

There was a disagreement on when and how nuke would be used in a war between Soviet/Russia and NATO/USA.

They agree on the other hand about whether nuke would be used or not.

Every Russian officer, politicians, every American officer and politicians and European ditto agreed on nuke would be used in a war.

So let us hope this stay as a theory forever.

Markus

Skybird · 05-17-21, 10:04 AM

No Minuteman 2 or 3 in Europe.

Those were ICBMs and they had their own fixed silos. The short range missiles the US stationed in Germany after Helmut Schmidt (!) bitterly fought for them (originally the Americans did not want to station them), were Pershing-2s and the first generation of Cruise Missiles. That it were the German government wanting them and the Americans not so much, is a story from history that many do not know. But it is true. I just say so, because it may still make some eyebrows rising. Different to the Sovjet- and GDR-infiltrated German peace movement and the hesitating US government of his time, Schmidt, world war 2 veteran that he was, had no cozy illusions about how the game had to be played.

The Minuteman is still in service, I think.

Schmidt again showed what a tough dog he could be during the plane hostage taking of Mogadishu. No deal with hostage takers, was his motto form day one on. (In these regards nobody was well-advised to underestimate him. He had his own experience during the third Reich as a teaher, and he learned the lessons well).

Jimbuna · 05-18-21, 06:58 AM

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The Minuteman is still in service, I think.

As of 2021, the LGM-30G Minuteman III version is the only land-based ICBM in service in the United States and represents the land leg of the U.S. nuclear triad, along with the Trident submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) and nuclear weapons carried by long-range strategic bombers.

Sean C · 05-17-21, 03:29 PM

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Then please enlighten us

Religious fanatics.

05-17-21, 04:17 AM	#1
Sean C Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 986 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 2	I don't think our end will be nuclear war. Call me a hopeless optimist, but I think we'll go out with a whimper - not a bang. There are some crazy people on this planet. And some of those people have a lot of power. But not all the power. And those that are close to having all the power don't want to lose it. People like Kim Jong Un know that if they push that button, everything they have ever known will be erased. Along with their legacy. And Jong Un's generals know that, too. Besides, they're probably too scared their own missile will fall short and kill them. I would be. China ... pffft. We're their cash cow. Putin isn't a dumbass. And I think [hope] some people in Iran still remember being the most progressive middle-eastern country ever. Pakistan ... is kind of crazy, but not that crazy IMHO. Same goes for India. There is one group that I think might be crazy enough to do it. __________________ If you have a question about celestial navigation ... ask me! Celestial Navigation Spreadsheet

05-17-21, 09:45 AM	#3
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,545 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	When I read your threads it happens often that I get a Deja vu even in this case. I recall many of these documentary and news program from the 80's where Reagan was President and Minuteman was being placed in Europe, mostly in Germany while the Russian SS20 was placed in Poland, East Germany a.s.o From this I remember what these Military people and politicians said. There was a disagreement on when and how nuke would be used in a war between Soviet/Russia and NATO/USA. They agree on the other hand about whether nuke would be used or not. Every Russian officer, politicians, every American officer and politicians and European ditto agreed on nuke would be used in a war. So let us hope this stay as a theory forever. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

05-17-21, 10:04 AM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,693 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	No Minuteman 2 or 3 in Europe. Those were ICBMs and they had their own fixed silos. The short range missiles the US stationed in Germany after Helmut Schmidt (!) bitterly fought for them (originally the Americans did not want to station them), were Pershing-2s and the first generation of Cruise Missiles. That it were the German government wanting them and the Americans not so much, is a story from history that many do not know. But it is true. I just say so, because it may still make some eyebrows rising. Different to the Sovjet- and GDR-infiltrated German peace movement and the hesitating US government of his time, Schmidt, world war 2 veteran that he was, had no cozy illusions about how the game had to be played. The Minuteman is still in service, I think. Schmidt again showed what a tough dog he could be during the plane hostage taking of Mogadishu. No deal with hostage takers, was his motto form day one on. (In these regards nobody was well-advised to underestimate him. He had his own experience during the third Reich as a teaher, and he learned the lessons well). __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 05-17-21 at 10:13 AM.