[REL/WIP] US Battleflags/Conning Tower Emblems

vickers03 · 05-07-21, 08:03 AM

this mod adds conning tower emblems with killflags and wardroom battleflags (fleetboat interior) which can be easily activated with jsgme.
the first set includes all historic emblems and battleflags for the
Narwhal and S-Class.
to activate look up your boat name/number and copy the corresponding folder into your MODS folder and activate.
same with the killflags.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/dow...o=file&id=5868

works with any mods and doesn't affect your sub skin.

*update 7.7.21*
- next set GATO added (20)

propbeanie · 05-07-21, 09:10 AM

Oh my gosh! You beat me to it! lol

- excellent! Bravo! More more more - where's my bic lighter? We need an encore!!!

Captain Dave · 05-07-21, 10:09 AM

Will these be from the old BattleFlags US website?
https://web.archive.org/web/20161119...ines/index.php

https://web.archive.org/web/20161119...marines/Balao/

vickers03 · 05-07-21, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Will these be from the old BattleFlags US website?
https://web.archive.org/web/20161119...ines/index.php

https://web.archive.org/web/20161119...marines/Balao/

are they still available somewhere? i would need to convert them
but this would make it much easier!

fitzcarraldo · 05-07-21, 06:22 PM

Many thanks! Pig Boats deserves it!

Fitzcarraldo

Captain Dave · 05-08-21, 10:17 AM

PM sent.

vickers03 · 05-11-21, 02:49 PM

update 11.5.21
- Porpoise, Salmon Class added

flaminus · 05-15-21, 07:58 AM

Fantastic mod! Really improving of the immersion and gameplay!

I suggest that the kill marks should be presented only one side on conning tower.

vickers03 · 05-15-21, 11:59 AM

Quote:

I suggest that the kill marks should be presented only one side on conning tower.

ah ok, would be more realistic then.

propbeanie · 05-15-21, 12:05 PM

Uh... port or starboard? Captain's discretioin? Naval regs?

Mad Mardigan · 05-15-21, 03:21 PM

Ahoy, all..

Did a bit of digging & came across this bit of info:

The origin of the submarine battle flag in World War II is a matter of some speculation, because before 1942, U.S. submarines did not own or display them. During late 1942 or early 1943, however, it became customary for a broom to be tied to the shears of a submarine returning from a successful patrol, indicating that it had made a "clean sweep" or sunk everything possible. In 1944, pennants were added to the brooms to indicate the number of kills. A Japanese flag denoted each ship sunk, with a solid orange circle on a white background for merchant ships and a rising sun for warships. Occasionally, these flags were also painted on the conning tower. This spontaneous and informal practice soon evolved into the creation of larger, more elaborate pennants, which included the submarine's particular insignia, often borrowed from a crewmember's "Submarine Jacket." This emblem was sewn into the pennant, along with symbols denoting additional kills and distinctive accomplishments, as sort of a "living history" of the sub's career. During 1944, Disney Studios, already involved in designing military insignia for both the United States and its allies (as these two websites show: http://www.atissuejournal.com/2010/0...gos-by-disney/ and http://www.atissuejournal.com/2010/0...gos-by-disney/ ), also designed submarine insignia. In all, the studio designed more than 30 fish insignia, which were assigned to submarines.

From the site I gleaned this info from.. 1 of the pic's, as best as I can tell.. it looks to have the battle flag & subsequent ship's sunk (battle kill's) emblazoned on the port side of the tower.

Of course, that is just 1 pic I found.. ( found here: http://www.dutchsubmarines.com/boats...idge_small.jpg ) & is not entirely indicative of that locality, as being the agreed upon area for them to be displayed with all subs. It could well be, that that area was where that particular sub's Capt. & crew chose to display theirs...

M. M.

post edit :

For those that may want to read up on that, themselves, that info, can be found here:

https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us%5Env~ss.html

flaminus · 05-15-21, 10:19 PM

The Swordfish's (SS-193) crew pose with the boat's battleflag of 27 sinkings, 1944.(http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08193.htm)

Conning tower shot of the Flying Fish (SS-229), in Pearl Harbor, most likely mid to late July of 1945. Her Ships emblem is resting on the deck leaning against the conning tower.(http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08229.htm)

Kill tags on port board as historical photo shows. TMO mod also placed a plane for kill makrs on port side.

vickers03 · 05-17-21, 10:28 AM

update 17.5.21
- Sargo, Tambor Class added
- killflags now on port side only

flaminus · 05-18-21, 11:58 PM

Cool

Looking forward to next update(too many gato

)

Btw, the positons of salmon/sargo kill flag had better to be moved downwards a little, to avoid the navigation lights.

Anthor issue:
FotRSU uses "conning_gato_02" instead of "conning_tambor_02" in "UnitParts7Tambor.upc" file, so flags&kills will not be effective for those tambor subs with medwar conning tower. However, if we edit the "UnitParts7Tambor.upc" to restore the conning_tambor_02, it will cause texture problem.(using your 4k skin mod as well). Maybe the "NSS_TamborTower_O01~04.dds" files have some problem.

vickers03 · 05-19-21, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flaminus

However, if we edit the "UnitParts7Tambor.upc" to restore the conning_tambor_02, it will cause texture problem.(using your 4k skin mod as well). Maybe the "NSS_TamborTower_O01~04.dds" files have some problem.

did you check to edit the texture path too:

ExternalLinkName3D= data/objects/Conning_Gato_02
HullTextureNameOverride=data/Submarine/NSS_Tambor/NSS_Tambor_T01.tga
HullLightmapTextureNameOverride=data/Submarine/NSS_Tambor/NSS_Tambor_O01.tga

05-07-21, 08:03 AM	#1
vickers03 Pooped from posting Join Date: May 2007 Location: germany Posts: 999 Downloads: 712 Uploads: 37	[REL/WIP] US Battleflags/Conning Tower Emblems this mod adds conning tower emblems with killflags and wardroom battleflags (fleetboat interior) which can be easily activated with jsgme. the first set includes all historic emblems and battleflags for the Narwhal and S-Class. to activate look up your boat name/number and copy the corresponding folder into your MODS folder and activate. same with the killflags. https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/dow...o=file&id=5868 works with any mods and doesn't affect your sub skin. update 7.7.21 - next set GATO added (20) Last edited by vickers03; 07-07-21 at 09:43 AM.

05-07-21, 09:10 AM	#2
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,106 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	Oh my gosh! You beat me to it! lol - excellent! Bravo! More more more - where's my bic lighter? We need an encore!!! __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

05-07-21, 10:09 AM	#3
Captain Dave Officer Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Herriman, Utah Posts: 247 Downloads: 398 Uploads: 3	Will these be from the old BattleFlags US website? https://web.archive.org/web/20161119...ines/index.php https://web.archive.org/web/20161119...marines/Balao/ __________________ Sending "Fish" to the enemy for 14 years.

05-07-21, 06:22 PM	#5
fitzcarraldo Argentinian Skipper Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Somewhere between Buenos Aires and the Bungo Suido Posts: 5,318 Downloads: 3346 Uploads: 0	Many thanks! Pig Boats deserves it! Fitzcarraldo __________________ *My subject is War, and the pity of War. The Poetry is in the pity - Wilfred Owen.*

05-08-21, 10:17 AM	#6
Captain Dave Officer Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Herriman, Utah Posts: 247 Downloads: 398 Uploads: 3	PM sent. __________________ Sending "Fish" to the enemy for 14 years.

05-11-21, 02:49 PM	#7
vickers03 Pooped from posting Join Date: May 2007 Location: germany Posts: 999 Downloads: 712 Uploads: 37	update 11.5.21 - Porpoise, Salmon Class added

05-15-21, 07:58 AM	#8
flaminus Sparky Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 151 Downloads: 502 Uploads: 5	Fantastic mod! Really improving of the immersion and gameplay! I suggest that the kill marks should be presented only one side on conning tower. Last edited by flaminus; 05-15-21 at 08:10 AM.

05-15-21, 12:05 PM	#10
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,106 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	Uh... port or starboard? Captain's discretioin? Naval regs? __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

05-15-21, 03:21 PM	#11
Mad Mardigan Admiral Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi. Posts: 2,327 Downloads: 491 Uploads: 0	Re: Battle flag's & kill count... Ahoy, all.. Did a bit of digging & came across this bit of info: The origin of the submarine battle flag in World War II is a matter of some speculation, because before 1942, U.S. submarines did not own or display them. During late 1942 or early 1943, however, it became customary for a broom to be tied to the shears of a submarine returning from a successful patrol, indicating that it had made a "clean sweep" or sunk everything possible. In 1944, pennants were added to the brooms to indicate the number of kills. A Japanese flag denoted each ship sunk, with a solid orange circle on a white background for merchant ships and a rising sun for warships. Occasionally, these flags were also painted on the conning tower. This spontaneous and informal practice soon evolved into the creation of larger, more elaborate pennants, which included the submarine's particular insignia, often borrowed from a crewmember's "Submarine Jacket." This emblem was sewn into the pennant, along with symbols denoting additional kills and distinctive accomplishments, as sort of a "living history" of the sub's career. During 1944, Disney Studios, already involved in designing military insignia for both the United States and its allies (as these two websites show: http://www.atissuejournal.com/2010/0...gos-by-disney/ and http://www.atissuejournal.com/2010/0...gos-by-disney/ ), also designed submarine insignia. In all, the studio designed more than 30 fish insignia, which were assigned to submarines. From the site I gleaned this info from.. 1 of the pic's, as best as I can tell.. it looks to have the battle flag & subsequent ship's sunk (battle kill's) emblazoned on the port side of the tower. Of course, that is just 1 pic I found.. ( found here: http://www.dutchsubmarines.com/boats...idge_small.jpg ) & is not entirely indicative of that locality, as being the agreed upon area for them to be displayed with all subs. It could well be, that that area was where that particular sub's Capt. & crew chose to display theirs... M. M. post edit : For those that may want to read up on that, themselves, that info, can be found here: https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/us%5Env~ss.html __________________ Last edited by Mad Mardigan; 05-15-21 at 03:39 PM.

05-15-21, 10:19 PM	#12
flaminus Sparky Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 151 Downloads: 502 Uploads: 5	The Swordfish's (SS-193) crew pose with the boat's battleflag of 27 sinkings, 1944.(http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08193.htm) Conning tower shot of the Flying Fish (SS-229), in Pearl Harbor, most likely mid to late July of 1945. Her Ships emblem is resting on the deck leaning against the conning tower.(http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08229.htm) Kill tags on port board as historical photo shows. TMO mod also placed a plane for kill makrs on port side. Last edited by flaminus; 05-15-21 at 11:35 PM.

05-17-21, 10:28 AM	#13
vickers03 Pooped from posting Join Date: May 2007 Location: germany Posts: 999 Downloads: 712 Uploads: 37	update 17.5.21 - Sargo, Tambor Class added - killflags now on port side only

05-18-21, 11:58 PM	#14
flaminus Sparky Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 151 Downloads: 502 Uploads: 5	Cool Looking forward to next update(too many gato ) Btw, the positons of salmon/sargo kill flag had better to be moved downwards a little, to avoid the navigation lights. Anthor issue: FotRSU uses "conning_gato_02" instead of "conning_tambor_02" in "UnitParts7Tambor.upc" file, so flags&kills will not be effective for those tambor subs with medwar conning tower. However, if we edit the "UnitParts7Tambor.upc" to restore the conning_tambor_02, it will cause texture problem.(using your 4k skin mod as well). Maybe the "NSS_TamborTower_O01~04.dds" files have some problem. Last edited by flaminus; 05-19-21 at 12:58 AM.