Father pulls daughter out of school.

Catfish · 05-03-21, 03:17 AM

^ Good old Godwin argument, if all fails it's Germans into lockstep, i wonder whether you talk to your german relatives that way.

True is i don't know about private schools in the US, but usually private schools and pricy Internate or boarding/residential schools in Europe are seldomly "left". Maybe in the US some overreact a bit when it comes to race and such, in the light of those recent events?

Alright, a pledge is the wrong way. So, if people behave in a certain way they should just be thrown out after some warnings? No reaction at all? But then for a school to be able to do either you need some legal background.
Whatever if this is not the right way what do you propose to educate / make people behave less racist / make people aware that racism is anything but absent in daily life?

August · 05-04-21, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

^ Good old Godwin argument, if all fails it's Germans into lockstep, i wonder whether you talk to your german relatives that way.

Oh i'm sorry that argument is invalid. You guys completely destroyed the Godwin defense forever these past 4 years in your eagerness to paint Trump as some kind of hitlerz second coming. A countryman of yours is even still claiming that our military is awash with budding neo fascists so sorry if you folks want to play that then expect some return fire when appropriate, like in this instance.

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True is i don't know about private schools in the US, but usually private schools and pricy Internate or boarding/residential schools in Europe are seldomly "left". Maybe in the US some overreact a bit when it comes to race and such, in the light of those recent events?

I don't know, all I can say is the USA is not Europe.

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Alright, a pledge is the wrong way. So, if people behave in a certain way they should just be thrown out after some warnings? No reaction at all? But then for a school to be able to do either you need some legal background.

Dude you're moving the goalposts. Either this "certain way" is illegal or against the schools charter and justifies some kind of disciplinary action or it's not, and please explain how a universal pledge would give the school some improved capability of dealing with such problems.

"You claimed not to be a racist in that pledge back in your freshman year and now you have broken that pledge by ____________ so therefore the school can now impose ____________ as punishment."

Fill in the blanks.

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Whatever if this is not the right way what do you propose to educate / make people behave less racist / make people aware that racism is anything but absent in daily life?

Educate is far different than make which is another word for "force" and not just stop them from doing things already illegal but force them to change their minds! But you don't call that indoctrination no sir!

You want to know that I propose? How about our government stop constantly quantifying and subdividing us by race. How about our leaders stop playing one race off against the other in their lust for power. Those alone would go a long way.

Catfish · 05-06-21, 02:56 AM

The argument is invalid because some said that Trump is Hitler? I didn't. I take it the latter was evil but not half as dumb. Also i gave a sh!t Trump's 'policies', he had none apart from trying to appear as popular as possible for the right wing, and saying anything he thought his fan base would like to hear, while trying to present himself as "the greatest" and cashing in donations personally.. while destroying the republican party.

So it is a bad thing to have laws or to demand pledges against things that are obviously wrong you said, or that are self-evident.
Lots of laws against criminals, but maybe they should "just behave" or "be educated". I generally agree now please 1st explain how you do that and 2nd why don't anyone even try to educate them, and make those laws against wrongdoing superfluous. Is there a law against publicly displaying the swastika? Why if it is all self-evident.

Re the OP:
So this father pulled his daughter out of school because he feared she is brainwashed and being pushed into being "left" or "liberal" (while i think there is a difference)
It really seems that education might give you a perspective you would not have otherwise, and teach you to think in different ways, to see things from another viewpoint. Better close them all.

HunterICX · 05-06-21, 04:25 AM

Racism has become a meaningless overused term.

I'd be pissed too if I was to be forced to take a pledge and take a anti-racist training course. Just like with religion what you believe in is fine by me just leave me bloody out of it. I have my opinions and believes and you have yours if you can respect that from eachother then I see no problem. I'm not a racist, I don't care what you are in terms of skin colour, religion, ethnicity, sex and sexuality. I do have however opinions and do not act like a singular being thinking the same as others and if some do have problems with that or are offended by things I say then that's their problem....not mine.

What does annoy me is that what we get is a shopping list of things we can't do, say or think about because some find it offensive and get outraged. A lot of people are spending way to much time HUNTING on what's offensive to them and cry that they're offended rather then just stick to their own lives and mind their own business.

I think it's wrong for a school to force their students to pledge to anything and take a unnecessary training courses because it's a waste of resources and could be better spend by educating their students and allow them to develop their own mindsets and ideas.

AVGWarhawk · 05-06-21, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterICX

Racism has become a meaningless overused term.

FTW! It really has!

Jimbuna · 05-07-21, 05:50 AM

The final nail in the coffin for me was when we were introduced to BLM when in fact I personally reckon ALL LIVES MATTER

AVGWarhawk · 05-07-21, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

The final nail in the coffin for me was when we were introduced to BLM when in fact I personally reckon ALL LIVES MATTER

The US is on a path of solving racism with using racism to do so. What will critical race theory solve? Our schools and colleges are some of the chief perpetrators.

05-03-21, 03:17 AM	#1
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,820 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ Good old Godwin argument, if all fails it's Germans into lockstep, i wonder whether you talk to your german relatives that way. True is i don't know about private schools in the US, but usually private schools and pricy Internate or boarding/residential schools in Europe are seldomly "left". Maybe in the US some overreact a bit when it comes to race and such, in the light of those recent events? Alright, a pledge is the wrong way. So, if people behave in a certain way they should just be thrown out after some warnings? No reaction at all? But then for a school to be able to do either you need some legal background. Whatever if this is not the right way what do you propose to educate / make people behave less racist / make people aware that racism is anything but absent in daily life? __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

05-06-21, 02:56 AM	#3
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,820 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	The argument is invalid because some said that Trump is Hitler? I didn't. I take it the latter was evil but not half as dumb. Also i gave a sh!t Trump's 'policies', he had none apart from trying to appear as popular as possible for the right wing, and saying anything he thought his fan base would like to hear, while trying to present himself as "the greatest" and cashing in donations personally.. while destroying the republican party. So it is a bad thing to have laws or to demand pledges against things that are obviously wrong you said, or that are self-evident. Lots of laws against criminals, but maybe they should "just behave" or "be educated". I generally agree now please 1st explain how you do that and 2nd why don't anyone even try to educate them, and make those laws against wrongdoing superfluous. Is there a law against publicly displaying the swastika? Why if it is all self-evident. Re the OP: So this father pulled his daughter out of school because he feared she is brainwashed and being pushed into being "left" or "liberal" (while i think there is a difference) It really seems that education might give you a perspective you would not have otherwise, and teach you to think in different ways, to see things from another viewpoint. Better close them all. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 05-06-21 at 03:14 AM.*

05-06-21, 04:25 AM	#4
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Racism has become a meaningless overused term. I'd be pissed too if I was to be forced to take a pledge and take a anti-racist training course. Just like with religion what you believe in is fine by me just leave me bloody out of it. I have my opinions and believes and you have yours if you can respect that from eachother then I see no problem. I'm not a racist, I don't care what you are in terms of skin colour, religion, ethnicity, sex and sexuality. I do have however opinions and do not act like a singular being thinking the same as others and if some do have problems with that or are offended by things I say then that's their problem....not mine. What does annoy me is that what we get is a shopping list of things we can't do, say or think about because some find it offensive and get outraged. A lot of people are spending way to much time HUNTING on what's offensive to them and cry that they're offended rather then just stick to their own lives and mind their own business. I think it's wrong for a school to force their students to pledge to anything and take a unnecessary training courses because it's a waste of resources and could be better spend by educating their students and allow them to develop their own mindsets and ideas. __________________

05-07-21, 05:50 AM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,357 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The final nail in the coffin for me was when we were introduced to BLM when in fact I personally reckon ALL LIVES MATTER __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!