[REL] S3D - Silent 3ditor

[DanielCoffey]

Not sure about the speeds I am afraid. I don't know how the game handles that but the data / submarine / yoursub / yoursub.cfg would be where I would have looked too. Maybe that is just for the AI subs?

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by CapnHeck

Daniel! Thank you SO much! I can't believe the one place I DIDN'T look was the downloads section of the forum. Duh-doy.

One other question, if I may? I'm trying to adjust top speeds....a couple of the subs are a knot or two too fast, I think. But even when I got into data/submarine/(sub type) and adjust the config file, it's not reflected in the game.
Any insight on that?

CapnHeck, (that's a heck of handle)

adjusting speed settings is really tricky. using the S3ditor is the correct tool to edit the sub.sim file but you may be in for more than you expected.
speed is controlled by varying the Propulsion elements (4) with the Surfaced Drag elements (2). changing them for a knot or so of difference is going to be a lot of work on your part.

if i can make a suggestion...actually two suggestions. first, you can limit your top speed by using the knot indicator gauge and only indicating so many knots as your max speed. so that solution is self-controlled. should you decide that the situation absolutely, positively calls for an extra knot, it is there for you to use....just like Chief Howard' fifth of hooch in Down Periscope.

the second suggestion is that you can limit your top speed by changing the engine order telegraph AheadFlank setting in sub.cfg. ignore the Maxspeed settings in the CFG file as they are holdovers from SH3 and will have no effect in SH4. AheadFlank is set to 1.00 today. if you want to knock a knot off of a speed of 21 kts, for example, just do the math: 20/21 = 0.9523809523809524, so make the AheadFlank value something approximating that .95 number and be sure to use the EOT for your speed orders rather than the knot indicator gauge.

those are my suggestions. i tried testing different values in Propulsion and Drag and all i did was waste time. the algorithm for speed is buried somewhere in Ubi-land and you (we) would need that algorithm to make any sensible changes.
whatever you decide, good luck!

[Leran147]

I was told to download S3D to visualize and extract models from the SH games; so, naturally, I installed it.
Here's the thing, most options are greyed out?
What's with that??

I'm a noob for all intents and purposes, so please don't take this as criticism but rather a friendly query.

Looks to be of very nice construction though! If only I knew how to use it....

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by Leran147

I was told to download S3D to visualize and extract models from the SH games; so, naturally, I installed it.
Here's the thing, most options are greyed out?
What's with that??

I'm a noob for all intents and purposes, so please don't take this as criticism but rather a friendly query.

Looks to be of very nice construction though! If only I knew how to use it....

just drag and drop one of the related files, just like it was a Windows application. try dat, sim, zon... they are visible on the right side of the app.
or
you can browse to one of the data files, right click and choose Open With and then choose S3D.

[Jeff-Groves]

Now.
If you get to the point and figure out how to export the 3D meshes?
You'll find that parts are not as you see them in Game!

Many parts will have a Zero XYZ placement so not be where you expect!
You need to see the settings in S3D to adjust those parts in other 3D programs.
Since many are Parented? It can get frustrating.

Me? I just write a Script for 010 to allow it to adjust the XZY based on my input.
If I get real motivated? I may finish the Script to automate a properly placed full extract.

That Script also pulls the Guns and stuff and places them.
But I'm not really motivated that much to finish it.

[Leran147]

Right, that which you mention will not be an issue, as I will probably edit the models myself in Lightwave; no worries.
Aw, that is a shame; tools such as these always come in handy; both for the initiated, and the non (yup, that's me!).
The current tool is good enough as it is though, so there is no rush; or even need for that matter.

Thank you both for the fast replies!

[propbeanie]

At this time, skwasjer's web site is not responding here mid-USA and I am receiving a "This site can't be reached" error. I don't know if that is because of where I am, or a site error, or something in between. Just in case someone else is looking for S3D, this is to remind everyone that Sailor Steve uploaded Silent3Ditor to SubSim here:

Silent3ditor download

The github link in skwasjer's signature on the first page does still function.

[Mister_M]

Hello,

All zones are "Unknown zone type" in Property details... Does anyone know where this problem comes from ??

[Jeff-Groves]

Explain with images if you can.
I'm not seeing this.

[Mister_M]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Explain with images if you can.
I'm not seeing this.

[Mister_M]

This happens since I've modified the file Zones.cfg...

[propbeanie]

Surely you set aside a copy of the file, or have the Stock game on disk, or the original modded version of the file available?

106=AmmoBunkerA

The file is built a certain way

[Mister_M]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

The file is built a certain way

I have probably moved some paragraphs upwards or downwards. Why would it be problematic ?

[Jeff-Groves]

You need to have the list proper at the beginning of the Zones.cfg
Link your Zones.cfg so we can look at it.

I promise not to laugh to hard!

[Mister_M]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

You need to have the list proper at the beginning of the Zones.cfg
Link your Zones.cfg so we can look at it.

I promise not to laugh to hard!

Problem solved ! I've put to a next line all the comments written after a ";" in the list at the beginning of the Zones.cfg