China's navy battle force has more than tripled in size in only two decades

[Catfish]

According to that article not only is China spending incredibly large sums ramping up its own lower quality chip manufacturing. [...]
Secondly China doesn't have much experience producing quality chips.

When you look at time spent and needed China is indeed "inferior", it only needed ten years to become almost equal with western products.
Their chips are not of lower quality, some are even better and also cheaper when it comes to Intel i7 level comparisons.
https://versus.com/en/huawei-kirin-9...-core-i7-8650u

Or compare a new Huawei to Apple mobiles, from speed to battery life. They are no far behind. Don't bother whether the basic tech has been copied or stolen, thing is the outcome here.

[Skybird]

Huawei's 5G kits are world leading.

My old Huawei smartphone (now used as a Navi exclusively on my ebike) beats the more expensive Samsung phones that since then went through my hands (for my Mum, and myself) by clear margins.

Fenix is a company that has beaten up the price market for LED torchlights. Superb manuifacturing quality, for prices that the multiple timers more expensive US competition and European competition could not long compete with, and had to give ground to. Now all such lights are much cheap, the general price niveau is down.

( I complain about the advertizing and business practices of Chinese traders on Wetsenr platrofmres, however. Often you get straightly lied to your face, information on terms and conditions and locatiosn from which the shipping actually starts, are deceived and kept hidden behind misleading formulations. But Chinese business practices are something Chinese zraders have earned a bad reptuation for in Asia since many centuries already. Be on your guard all the time, and never take a weak position towards their offers, better say No from early on. Personally I have drawn consequences and do not order form anything related to Chinese companies anymore. Too many smelly experiences. Lying is as common as copyright infringement and stealing intellectual property. Thats not just clichées or racist lies - thats simply empirical fact.)

[Rockstar]

I don't think anyone is going to go to war over Taiwan. Wars will be fought but not with bullets they will be won and lost on the strength of their economy. Russia wasn't kicked out of Afghanistan by a bunch of religious dirt farmers. They pulled out mainly because their own failing economy and internal politics demanded it. We won the cold war but not with tanks and guided missiles. But because capitalism works and we were able to outspend them.






No different than the war the U.S. and China are now fighting. Other than controlling those chip manufactures. I don't think either of us really give a rats arse about Taiwan independence. We place a huge burden on China's economy when we control those Taiwan chip manufactures. Not only do we have the advantage in military experience and hardware. We also have the experience and know how in defeating communism and communist governments without firing a shot.

[mapuc]

I don't know how to translate an article in a Danish newspaper, so I go the long way and translate it via google.

Last week the former NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh made following statement in the weekly magazine Lippert:

- If China threatens Taiwan, we must be ready for war -

This scared me.

Markus

[Catfish]

The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation in the South China sea

Taiwan has the same right to be regarded as the "real" China as the People's republic mainland dictatorship, question is if Xi Jinping or his non-elected successors would attack it. It would be economical suicide for sure.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Catfish

The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation in the South China sea

Taiwan has the same right to be regarded as the "real" China as the People's republic mainland dictatorship, question is if Xi Jinping or his non-elected successors would attack it. It would be economical suicide for sure.

I have been thinking.

China has archieved so much the last 50 years, going from nothing to become a moderne society, they are on the way to be the next leading superpower, why put all this at stake, by attacking Taiwan.

Markus

[FireDragon76]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I have been thinking.

China has archieved so much the last 50 years, going from nothing to become a moderne society, they are on the way to be the next leading superpower, why put all this at stake, by attacking Taiwan.

Markus

China benefits alot from trade with Taiwan so I don't think they are eager to kill the goose that lays the golden egg.



Chinese also play the long game. Most Taiwanese people are committed to closer ties to the mainland, so some kind of reunification is probably inevitable.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

It would be economical suicide for sure.

Would it? Damaging, yes. Suicide, no.

Taiwan on the other hand would be economically wiped out in the first hours of the war. The Wets would be more hurt by the destruyction of Taiwan, than China. Because we still depend so heavily on Taiwanese CPU production.

I never was a friend of this globalization madness. Its shortsighted, and stupid, and maximises own vulnerabilities and dependencies.

Gaining autarky is the lesson the West has to learn from the past 20 years. Stopping to make one's future enemies strong.


Lets have a reality check. Merkel in Germany, the still storngest economy of the eU block, rejected reality when leaving nuclear power behind, rejected sens eof realism when channeöling the bioggest mass moivement of known history to Europea nd Germany, and again rejected reality when delaying vaccine shopping for the sake of some higher superidealiustic stupdid reasoning meant to push more powers to the EU. On the other side of the Atlantic there was the recent four years opf attempting to challenge China, and all these challenges, like the sanctionizing of Russia before, led to Bejing changin its political priorities so to boost independence from Wetsern material high tech supplies in the coming years - which will, once they are done,m means China will be stronger than before. In parts it already shows.



No, I am not optimistic that the West will learn autoarky. It instead will carry on to propagate global group psychotherapy with a lot of babbling.

[mapuc]

^ Skybird, have you taken every factors into the equation ?

What would exactly happen if China do as they has threaten to do - attack Taiwan.

There's always this unknown factor.

Markus