SH4 won't start after recent Win10 update

[propbeanie]

Win10 has been messing with me also lately. When using MultiSH4, the folder created for the Saved games don't always end up in the Documents folder, and are sometimes found in the root of the C drive. A few days later, OneDrive syncs, and presto-change-oh, there the folder is, in the Documents folder. Very strange, but only since I've gotten the "new" Windows... Messed with all of my web sessions also, change my program associations (again), and deleted stuff that I apparently didn't need anymore... extremely rude behavior.

But anyway, what I've been finding is that I have had to change the settings of the SH4.exe properties page more lately. I used to get by with none, or maybe one of the boxes ticked, depending upon the computer. Now I have to tick all of these on the one:



I never had to do the "Compatibility" before, but the new desktop machine I have now requires that, set to Windows 7. The laptop doesn't. Then there is the "Disable full-screen optimizations", which I now have to use on two of three computers, both of which have relatively new nVidia cards - but nothing fancy. The "Run this program as an administrator" is only needed on the laptop for whatever reason, and it does increase the UAC (User Access Control) interruptions much more frequently, but you do what you gotta do. Last, but certainly not least, I have had to click on the "Change high DPI settings" button on the same two desktops, and then click "Overide high DPI scaling behavior. Scaling performed by: Application". Three computers, all three set differently now than before, and no two alike, all three intel...

It is easiest to get SH4 running if you set Windows to use the "native" resolution of your monitor, which windows will show as "Recommended". Then in the game, set it to the same resolution. The main fix for my newer computer is the "Disable full-screen optimizations", because Windows otherwise tries to makes things "prettier" and "in-focus"... which the game does that itself. But you'll have to experiment with them all. If all else fails, you could try to open the Data/ Cfg / Main.cfg file in a text editor, and set the resolution in there to match your computer:

[VIDEO]
Resolution=1920,1080,60,22
DynamicShadows=No
FullScreen=Yes
Synchronized=Yes
TextureResolutionHigh=Yes

Or even try setting the FullScreen=No

Still do what KaleunMarco suggests though...

[Captain Dave]

The latest Win10 service pack changed all my font and colors. It also deleted all my restore points.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Captain Dave

The latest Win10 service pack changed all my font and colors. It also deleted all my restore points.

I purchased a copy of Macrium just in case. I do a full backup monthly, a differential weekly, and an incremental every night.

Once I buy a new PC, I'm considering playing with my old one and installing Mint or Ubuntu instead of Windows - I understand that both SH3 and SH4 are able to run on Linux.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Win10 has been messing with me also lately. When using MultiSH4, the folder created for the Saved games don't always end up in the Documents folder, and are sometimes found in the root of the C drive. A few days later, OneDrive syncs, and presto-change-oh, there the folder is, in the Documents folder. Very strange, but only since I've gotten the "new" Windows... Messed with all of my web sessions also, change my program associations (again), and deleted stuff that I apparently didn't need anymore... extremely rude behavior.



Still do what KaleunMarco suggests though...

PB, you have GOT to get off OneDrive. It is a moral and security imperative.

[propbeanie]

I am not on OneDrive. It is not installed on my computers. However, that is what Microsoft uses for the backup images it creates when doing Windows Updates now. They apparently retain said images also. Everybody that has Windows 10 now appears to be tied to OneDrive, whether they like it or not. You may or may not have a OneDrive folder on one of your own hard drives that is visible, but MS does use the "cloud" to back-up your files to, while it Updates your machine. If there is a problem with the Update completing, Windows will restore from the "cloud", and if they have a problem with that, they ask the User to verify which restore point they want to use, and if you have multiple computers on a home network, you better make certain which computer you are pulling their restore point for... This can really "trash" a person's computer, and MS will disavow any and all knowledge of their Impossible Mission team's existence...

Look at the recent spate of people "losing" their Save folders... I did a fresh install of SH4 the other day for testing what we hope is the final mix of FotRSU, and did a new MultiSH4 Save folder. That folder was NOT in My Documents, or anything even close to that folder initially - of which, I used Windows File Manager to point to a My Documents folder on the E: drive (a clue! a clue!!). The SH4 Save folder was hanging on the root of the C: drive... It took me a while to find it, because here I am trying to "test" the mod, and after a few tests, I wanted to clear the Save folder again to pull in fresh data... It took me ~forever~ to find it. Several days later, there is was in E:\Users \UserName \Documents, where it should have been to begin with. How? is what I want to know. Did Windows "sync" itself with my computer?? But with a different install, that Save folder has not moved to Documents yet... ??? But it sure looks like Windows 10 Update is using the "cloud". Maybe someone with more MS "top-secret" knowledge can enlighten us... ??

[Moonlight]

Perhaps you should have a bit less paranoia Mr beanie and consider changing your account settings instead, that's enough piss taking for now.

Have a read of the link below and decide if you want a local account or a Microsoft one, from what I can remember of all this account and update nonsense it's that Win 10 Home editions and Win 10 pro editions are slightly different, that's up to the user to look into if you go down this path.

The Difference Between Local and Microsoft Accounts in Windows
https://www.lifewire.com/local-vs-mi...indows-3507003

[propbeanie]

I signed-up (having been a MS "Insider" at the time) for the Windows 10 previews, prior to the Release Candidates and "beta" versions. I really enjoyed their initial releases. I did the same thing for Windows 2000 and XP back in the day, but did not have enough time during either Windows 7 nor 8 to do the same. So I have an MS account, which automatically links all of my various copies of Windows 10 (two desktops, 1 laptop of mine, plus the 2 boys' computers), which is why I am basically stuck with that sign-in. My boys do not have the issue, since they use Local accounts. Such is life. I do still have a "Preview" version on the one computer, and I do still enjoy the "bleeding edge" of the OS game, though I can no longer afford the latest/greatest new hardware that I used to stay up with back in the 486 DX2-66 to Pentium days... - I do not "bad-mouth" Windows as much as I do Apple or even Linux anymore... - That is a good link there, and there are even several good articles and threads on some of the MS sites, of which I don't have any links to at this time... but you do have to wade through some of the pages of "automatic" replies there anyway... A person with multiple Win10 installs with MS account sign-ins, does have to be careful when it comes to the Updates, especially on a Home install.

[wade88]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

I signed-up (having been a MS "Insider" at the time) for the Windows 10 previews, prior to the Release Candidates and "beta" versions. I really enjoyed their initial releases. I did the same thing for Windows 2000 and XP back in the day, but did not have enough time during either Windows 7 nor 8 to do the same. So I have an MS account, which automatically links all of my various copies of Windows 10 (two desktops, 1 laptop of mine, plus the 2 boys' computers), which is why I am basically stuck with that sign-in. My boys do not have the issue, since they use Local accounts. Such is life. I do still have a "Preview" version on the one computer, and I do still enjoy the "bleeding edge" of the OS game, though I can no longer afford the latest/greatest new hardware that I used to stay up with back in the 486 DX2-66 to Pentium days... - I do not "bad-mouth" Windows as much as I do Apple or even Linux anymore... - That is a good link there, and there are even several good articles and threads on some of the MS sites, of which I don't have any links to at this time... but you do have to wade through some of the pages of "automatic" replies there anyway... A person with multiple Win10 installs with MS account sign-ins, does have to be careful when it comes to the Updates, especially on a Home install.

Does that system take Computer Names into account? I name all my NETBIOS or whatever different things to make home backups easier, does M$FT include these in the filenames?

[1Patriotofmany]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Win10 has been messing with me also lately. When using MultiSH4, the folder created for the Saved games don't always end up in the Documents folder, and are sometimes found in the root of the C drive. A few days later, OneDrive syncs, and presto-change-oh, there the folder is, in the Documents folder. Very strange, but only since I've gotten the "new" Windows... Messed with all of my web sessions also, change my program associations (again), and deleted stuff that I apparently didn't need anymore... extremely rude behavior.

But anyway, what I've been finding is that I have had to change the settings of the SH4.exe properties page more lately. I used to get by with none, or maybe one of the boxes ticked, depending upon the computer. Now I have to tick all of these on the one:



I never had to do the "Compatibility" before, but the new desktop machine I have now requires that, set to Windows 7. The laptop doesn't. Then there is the "Disable full-screen optimizations", which I now have to use on two of three computers, both of which have relatively new nVidia cards - but nothing fancy. The "Run this program as an administrator" is only needed on the laptop for whatever reason, and it does increase the UAC (User Access Control) interruptions much more frequently, but you do what you gotta do. Last, but certainly not least, I have had to click on the "Change high DPI settings" button on the same two desktops, and then click "Overide high DPI scaling behavior. Scaling performed by: Application". Three computers, all three set differently now than before, and no two alike, all three intel...

It is easiest to get SH4 running if you set Windows to use the "native" resolution of your monitor, which windows will show as "Recommended". Then in the game, set it to the same resolution. The main fix for my newer computer is the "Disable full-screen optimizations", because Windows otherwise tries to makes things "prettier" and "in-focus"... which the game does that itself. But you'll have to experiment with them all. If all else fails, you could try to open the Data/ Cfg / Main.cfg file in a text editor, and set the resolution in there to match your computer:

[VIDEO]
Resolution=1920,1080,60,22
DynamicShadows=No
FullScreen=Yes
Synchronized=Yes
TextureResolutionHigh=Yes

Or even try setting the FullScreen=No

Still do what KaleunMarco suggests though...

I rarely use win10 because I hate it, I tried running SH4, I get the nothing, no error ect. When I right click on the icon or the sh4.exe I don't get the properties screen like that with the compatibility tab! Suggestions? I used to have the compatibility tab. but its not there now. How do I make sure I'm the administrator? I'm guessing at this point I must not be, i don't understand why i wouldn't be cause I'm the only one on that POS 10 machine.


EDIT EDIT: I figured out I am the administrator and for some reason i had to left click on the .exe before i right clicked on it, then I got the proper tab! Man I hate 10. Now to try this all out.


EDIT again, no joy for me. Of course i have it installed in the default folder, guess I'll try uninstalling and putting it in another folder as always suggested.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by 1Patriotofmany

I rarely use win10 because I hate it, I tried running SH4, I get the nothing, no error ect. When I right click on the icon or the sh4.exe I don't get the properties screen like that with the compatibility tab! Suggestions? I used to have the compatibility tab. but its not there now. How do I make sure I'm the administrator? I'm guessing at this point I must not be, i don't understand why i wouldn't be cause I'm the only one on that POS 10 machine.


EDIT EDIT: I figured out I am the administrator and for some reason i had to left click on the .exe before i right clicked on it, then I got the proper tab! Man I hate 10. Now to try this all out.


EDIT again, no joy for me. Of course i have it installed in the default folder, guess I'll try uninstalling and putting it in another folder as always suggested.

you're on the right track.
after re-installing in a non-default folder, change the SH4.exe property to not-read-only (uncheck the read-only box).
then, run LAA and enable SH4 under LAA.

[1Patriotofmany]

Thanks KaleunMarco I will give it a shot. Just before I pull out a M590A1 and take a shot at the win10 machine......