[WIP] well this is different i need VOTES

goldmastersims · 03-14-21, 04:15 PM

2 is the best balance between viability and content. Cold Waters is fundamentally designed for submarines.

It has taken a lot of iterations to implement many aspects of surface ships in the game properly. Before Epic Mod changed the game's code, the game literally thought these were submarines. Now Epic Mod has resolved many of the early problems with implementing surface ships, but it's still far from flawless. Killerfish Games didn't expect the modders to go this far.

The most major issue with making each surface ship viable is that the campaign doesn't assign ships missions according to their capabilities. Anti-submarine ships have an equal chance of getting thrown into merchant ship missions as anti-ship ships. The Kirov is simply far better than all of the other options because it can do everything. Meanwhile, the vanilla game knows whether land strike missions should be assigned based on the sub's ability to carry land attack missiles. There's nothing like this to balance ships.

Right now, surface ship engagements against other surface ships are a furious point-and-click adventure at flank speed while trying to destroy all the other ships and survive. This is where subs thrive because much more realistic tactics can be used. And again, that's what the game is fundamentally designed for.

Manually firing and aiming guns hasn't been figured out. I hope an implementation to manually aim guns similar to War on the Sea is added. We are better off waiting for Sea Power to release if we want to manually use all the surface ships' weapons.

steel shark · 03-15-21, 07:37 AM

So we decided on Subs only and both so NATO & RUSSIAN

However im still deciding if to split it in to two separate mods

so

CWA - NATO

&

CWA - PACK

This would be a better choice for pure focus on the the two different sides if done this way

because it would be completely separate games dedicated to each side

that way nothing has to be shared so its will give a much better gaming experience for each side

so total separate :

audio

huds

Missions & campaigns structured for the side you are playing

Vessel specific missions or campaigns

voices & command in the correct terms

Separate graphic Language labels ect

dedicated weapon coding for the different sides ect

Specifically adjusted AI for the opposing side ect

I could list endless stuff Ect ......

im still deciding my self and need to talk with the others also

Steel Shark

jack33 · 03-17-21, 02:29 AM

two separate mods

goldmastersims · 03-18-21, 05:13 PM

Make NATO and Warsaw Pact subs two separate mods. The difference in enemy doctrine between both alone would only make the game more authentic.

Texas Red · 03-18-21, 07:18 PM

Two separate mods.

03-15-21, 07:37 AM	#2
steel shark XO Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Uk Posts: 414 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 5	We went for Option two So we decided on Subs only and both so NATO & RUSSIAN However im still deciding if to split it in to two separate mods so CWA - NATO & CWA - PACK This would be a better choice for pure focus on the the two different sides if done this way because it would be completely separate games dedicated to each side that way nothing has to be shared so its will give a much better gaming experience for each side so total separate : audio huds Missions & campaigns structured for the side you are playing Vessel specific missions or campaigns voices & command in the correct terms Separate graphic Language labels ect dedicated weapon coding for the different sides ect Specifically adjusted AI for the opposing side ect I could list endless stuff Ect ...... im still deciding my self and need to talk with the others also Steel Shark __________________ "History is Written by the Victors."

03-18-21, 07:18 PM	#5
Texas Red Fastest Gun Around Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Agua Fira, New Mexico Posts: 2,368 Downloads: 528 Uploads: 5	Two separate mods. __________________ There are no secrets to success. It is the result of preparation, hard work, and learning from failure. — Colin Powell I'm not very active on the forums anymore. If you have a question, please DM me and I'll respond ASAP!

03-14-21, 04:15 PM	#1
goldmastersims Bosun Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 64 Downloads: 148 Uploads: 0	2 is the best balance between viability and content. Cold Waters is fundamentally designed for submarines. It has taken a lot of iterations to implement many aspects of surface ships in the game properly. Before Epic Mod changed the game's code, the game literally thought these were submarines. Now Epic Mod has resolved many of the early problems with implementing surface ships, but it's still far from flawless. Killerfish Games didn't expect the modders to go this far. The most major issue with making each surface ship viable is that the campaign doesn't assign ships missions according to their capabilities. Anti-submarine ships have an equal chance of getting thrown into merchant ship missions as anti-ship ships. The Kirov is simply far better than all of the other options because it can do everything. Meanwhile, the vanilla game knows whether land strike missions should be assigned based on the sub's ability to carry land attack missiles. There's nothing like this to balance ships. Right now, surface ship engagements against other surface ships are a furious point-and-click adventure at flank speed while trying to destroy all the other ships and survive. This is where subs thrive because much more realistic tactics can be used. And again, that's what the game is fundamentally designed for. Manually firing and aiming guns hasn't been figured out. I hope an implementation to manually aim guns similar to War on the Sea is added. We are better off waiting for Sea Power to release if we want to manually use all the surface ships' weapons.

03-17-21, 02:29 AM	#3
jack33 Seaman Join Date: May 2005 Location: spain Posts: 38 Downloads: 252 Uploads: 0	two separate mods

03-18-21, 05:13 PM	#4
goldmastersims Bosun Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 64 Downloads: 148 Uploads: 0	Make NATO and Warsaw Pact subs two separate mods. The difference in enemy doctrine between both alone would only make the game more authentic.