decoys

[mikesn9]

Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan

If I recall correctly, objectively.. after launching, you want to radically change course & depth... if at all possible, go deeper... & of course quickly & quietly as is possible... I'd say go balls out emergency ahead, to get the ball rolling on course change & once you got signs of that happening then go all quiet & start the dive... of course, that is supposition on My part.. haven't had to try & use them... YET.. being the operative word.

What I outlined, is what I can get My cranky, rusty, dusty, cobweb filled ol' dino of a HD called My brain to recall & it may or may not be 100% spot on.. I do admit... freely.

Just please... don't shoot the messenger (namely Me )

M. M.

When I was able to use them, that was the strategy I used. deploy decoys close to thermal, dive deeper, 2/3 or 1/3 bell, change course sometimes right back at the DD's. They'd usually scream right over me.

[Bubblehead1980]

I modded the decoys for TMO because they seemed ineffective and frankly in later war(when they were actually introduced) they are needed due to the shallow water operations that become the norm. I edited the file where they make noise, raised it from 0.0 to 0.50. Did not increase the duration beyond the default 15 minutes but did raised the number carried to 15. They are effective for a time, especially if have multiple escorts, will distract one or two for a few minutes but does not nerf the AI.

[Moonlight]

What file are these decoy thingies in?, I had a quick look through the Sh4 library folder but I came up with nothing as usual.

[KaleunMarco]

Originally Posted by Moonlight

What file are these decoy thingies in?, I had a quick look through the Sh4 library folder but I came up with nothing as usual.

i thought Decoys was in the Library\USSubparts but now it is not there.
i have to find it now.

[Arlo]

I'll ask for forgiveness in advance, as I readily admit my focus for years in WWII history has been U.S. Naval aircraft and not submarines. It's only been recently (ten years or so) that my curiosity about fleet subs has driven me to explore deeper into facts and those may be shallower than I would like to admit.

If we're talking about U.S. fleet boats and not German U-Boats, I was unaware of the use of any decoy devices during WWII. The earliest reference that I've run across is the Mk 70 MOSS (mobile sub simulator) used in the mid seventies. If anyone can point me to a source that will educate me on U.S. WWII submarine decoy use, I would greatly appreciate it (seriously, filling gaps in my historical knowledge is somewhat of a joy).

Thanks, guys.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Arlo

I'll ask for forgiveness in advance, as I readily admit my focus for years in WWII history has been U.S. Naval aircraft and not submarines. It's only been recently (ten years or so) that my curiosity about fleet subs has driven me to explore deeper into facts and those may be shallower than I would like to admit.

If we're talking about U.S. fleet boats and not German U-Boats, I was unaware of the use of any decoy devices during WWII. The earliest reference that I've run across is the Mk 70 MOSS (mobile sub simulator) used in the mid seventies. If anyone can point me to a source that will educate me on U.S. WWII submarine decoy use, I would greatly appreciate it (seriously, filling gaps in my historical knowledge is somewhat of a joy).

Thanks, guys.

US submarines did have later in war. Germans called them "BOLD", Allies called them SBT(Submarine Bubble Target). I'll have to search my plethora of saved sites, books etc for sources but from what I recall, US began implementing them into the newer Balao boats in mid late 44, Tench class of course. Retrofitted to some of the older Balao/Gato classes. Would not describe them as standard equipment at the time, but would become so, war ended first.

I recall Fluckey mentioning Barb using them on patrol in 1945, also had "Cutie" homing torpedoes. How far things had come in such a short time, with acoustin decoys and homing torpedoes.


In SH 4 stock they came standard from day 1 of the war (lol) which drove me nuts and were then not effective. Various mods have handled them differently. In TMO they become available as an equipment upgrade and in much later war are standard equipment but never found them very helpful. I changed the availability date as it was too early to be standard, cost too little (like the homing torpedo). I adjusted the effectiveness a bit from stock and TMO levels, they work but do not completely nerf the AI. Best use is in late war with convoys had many escorts, can keep a few of them distracted while one or two are on player sub. Quite useful in shallow water as well, which player will be forced to operate in at some point (just as subs were in real life) but of course due to limited number carried, must use them wisely.

[propbeanie]

Sink 'em All and a few other books make mention of them, and 1945 rings a bell for me... I'll try to dig through some references later. They were ~after~ the FM sonar and Hell Bells.