decoys

propbeanie · 03-12-21, 12:29 PM

Top of my head, full of cobwebs and phlegm? Five... six?? I have ~never~ had much luck with "decoys". They always seem to put the escorts on top of me, instead of the decoy. Very frustrating. Probably has to do with "skill" (or lack there-of) on my part...

- they do seem to assist in getting me sunk sooner...

Mad Mardigan · 03-12-21, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by propbeanie

Top of my head, full of cobwebs and phlegm? Five... six?? I have ~never~ had much luck with "decoys". They always seem to put the escorts on top of me, instead of the decoy. Very frustrating. Probably has to do with "skill" (or lack there-of) on my part...

- they do seem to assist in getting me sunk sooner...

If I recall correctly, objectively.. after launching, you want to radically change course & depth... if at all possible, go deeper... & of course quickly & quietly as is possible... I'd say go balls out emergency ahead, to get the ball rolling on course change & once you got signs of that happening then go all quiet & start the dive... of course, that is supposition on My part.. haven't had to try & use them... YET.. being the operative word.

What I outlined, is what I can get My cranky, rusty, dusty, cobweb filled ol' dino of a HD called My brain to recall & it may or may not be 100% spot on.. I do admit... freely.

Just please...

don't shoot the messenger (namely Me

)

M. M.

mikesn9 · 03-13-21, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mad Mardigan

If I recall correctly, objectively.. after launching, you want to radically change course & depth... if at all possible, go deeper... & of course quickly & quietly as is possible... I'd say go balls out emergency ahead, to get the ball rolling on course change & once you got signs of that happening then go all quiet & start the dive... of course, that is supposition on My part.. haven't had to try & use them... YET.. being the operative word.

What I outlined, is what I can get My cranky, rusty, dusty, cobweb filled ol' dino of a HD called My brain to recall & it may or may not be 100% spot on.. I do admit... freely.

Just please...

don't shoot the messenger (namely Me

)

M. M.

When I was able to use them, that was the strategy I used. deploy decoys close to thermal, dive deeper, 2/3 or 1/3 bell, change course sometimes right back at the DD's. They'd usually scream right over me.

Bubblehead1980 · 03-13-21, 01:03 PM

I modded the decoys for TMO because they seemed ineffective and frankly in later war(when they were actually introduced) they are needed due to the shallow water operations that become the norm. I edited the file where they make noise, raised it from 0.0 to 0.50. Did not increase the duration beyond the default 15 minutes but did raised the number carried to 15. They are effective for a time, especially if have multiple escorts, will distract one or two for a few minutes but does not nerf the AI.

Moonlight · 03-13-21, 04:12 PM

What file are these decoy thingies in?, I had a quick look through the Sh4 library folder but I came up with nothing as usual.

KaleunMarco · 03-13-21, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonlight

What file are these decoy thingies in?, I had a quick look through the Sh4 library folder but I came up with nothing as usual.

i thought Decoys was in the Library\USSubparts but now it is not there.
i have to find it now.

Arlo · 05-03-21, 11:42 AM

I'll ask for forgiveness in advance, as I readily admit my focus for years in WWII history has been U.S. Naval aircraft and not submarines. It's only been recently (ten years or so) that my curiosity about fleet subs has driven me to explore deeper into facts and those may be shallower than I would like to admit.

If we're talking about U.S. fleet boats and not German U-Boats, I was unaware of the use of any decoy devices during WWII. The earliest reference that I've run across is the Mk 70 MOSS (mobile sub simulator) used in the mid seventies. If anyone can point me to a source that will educate me on U.S. WWII submarine decoy use, I would greatly appreciate it (seriously, filling gaps in my historical knowledge is somewhat of a joy).

Thanks, guys.

03-12-21, 12:29 PM	#1
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 10,098 Downloads: 451 Uploads: 2	Top of my head, full of cobwebs and phlegm? Five... six?? I have ~never~ had much luck with "decoys". They always seem to put the escorts on top of me, instead of the decoy. Very frustrating. Probably has to do with "skill" (or lack there-of) on my part... - they do seem to assist in getting me sunk sooner... __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayers" - Jimbuna

03-13-21, 04:12 PM	#5
Moonlight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Fookhall Copse Posts: 2,519 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 0	What file are these decoy thingies in?, I had a quick look through the Sh4 library folder but I came up with nothing as usual. __________________

05-03-21, 11:42 AM	#7
Arlo The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 214 Uploads: 0	I'll ask for forgiveness in advance, as I readily admit my focus for years in WWII history has been U.S. Naval aircraft and not submarines. It's only been recently (ten years or so) that my curiosity about fleet subs has driven me to explore deeper into facts and those may be shallower than I would like to admit. If we're talking about U.S. fleet boats and not German U-Boats, I was unaware of the use of any decoy devices during WWII. The earliest reference that I've run across is the Mk 70 MOSS (mobile sub simulator) used in the mid seventies. If anyone can point me to a source that will educate me on U.S. WWII submarine decoy use, I would greatly appreciate it (seriously, filling gaps in my historical knowledge is somewhat of a joy). Thanks, guys. __________________ -Arlo

03-13-21, 01:03 PM	#4
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,104 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	I modded the decoys for TMO because they seemed ineffective and frankly in later war(when they were actually introduced) they are needed due to the shallow water operations that become the norm. I edited the file where they make noise, raised it from 0.0 to 0.50. Did not increase the duration beyond the default 15 minutes but did raised the number carried to 15. They are effective for a time, especially if have multiple escorts, will distract one or two for a few minutes but does not nerf the AI.