F35 - the plane with anything but a stealthy financial footprint

mapuc · 03-08-21, 06:16 PM

I do not have the book anymore.

History of US air force.

I seem to recall there was huge problems with F-15 Eagle or was it F-14 Tomcat. It was one of these who had lots of childhood diseases.

Markus

3catcircus · 03-09-21, 06:47 AM

To misquote Alvin Holmes:

"What's wrong wit da planes we got? I mean, they fly pretty goooddd, don't they?"

Joking aside, the cost overruns come down to one thing and one thing only: requirements creep.

Von Due · 03-09-21, 11:51 AM

What I'm most curious about when it comes to the F-35 is: How will this design succeed in going against one of the axioms of aircraft design: You can not have one design to master all tasks ahead.
Did they make several designs for different variants to fullfill different roles? Will each variant come at a premium price? Will their customers need to buy multiple variants? Did they really manage to prove the aforementioned axiom wrong and create a jack of all trade? Or is it a design that will do some roles better than others and some roles poorer than competing designs?

ET2SN · 03-09-21, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mapuc

I do not have the book anymore.

History of US air force.

I seem to recall there was huge problems with F-15 Eagle or was it F-14 Tomcat. It was one of these who had lots of childhood diseases.

Markus

Just off the top of my head:

F-14A- Engine stalls at critical angles of attack.

F-16A- Critical gyro for computer control would snap its rotor under high G loading causing total failure of the flight control computer. Faulty O2 system.

F-22A- "Faulty" O2 system/oxygen mask and regulator causing pilot to black out. Speculation was that the F-22 routinely operated at much higher altitude than previous fighters.

mapuc · 03-09-21, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ET2SN

Just off the top of my head:

F-14A- Engine stalls at critical angles of attack.

F-16A- Critical gyro for computer control would snap its rotor under high G loading causing total failure of the flight control computer. Faulty O2 system.

F-22A- "Faulty" O2 system/oxygen mask and regulator causing pilot to black out. Speculation was that the F-22 routinely operated at much higher altitude than previous fighters.

I forgot to mention the most famous fighter jet, which had lots of problems during it lifetime.

F-104 Starfighter or in common F104 The Widowmaker.

Markus

AVGWarhawk · 03-09-21, 02:29 PM

Not to mention the V-22 Osprey that was a disaster from first flight.

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,293 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Not to mention the V-22 Osprey that was a disaster from first flight. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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3catcircus Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 979 Downloads: 256 Uploads: 0	To misquote Alvin Holmes: "What's wrong wit da planes we got? I mean, they fly pretty goooddd, don't they?" Joking aside, the cost overruns come down to one thing and one thing only: requirements creep.

03-09-21, 11:51 AM	#3
Von Due Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,690 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	What I'm most curious about when it comes to the F-35 is: How will this design succeed in going against one of the axioms of aircraft design: You can not have one design to master all tasks ahead. Did they make several designs for different variants to fullfill different roles? Will each variant come at a premium price? Will their customers need to buy multiple variants? Did they really manage to prove the aforementioned axiom wrong and create a jack of all trade? Or is it a design that will do some roles better than others and some roles poorer than competing designs?