Prediction: What will the USA look like in 20 years ? - Page 2

3catcircus · 02-07-21, 12:16 PM

We'll either be a flaming ruin with the rest of the world or we'll be entering a new golden age - nothing in between.

We've got far too many governments and corporations at all levels filled with narcissistic power-hungry. money-crazed "leaders" more interested in their own club's membership than of the citizens they represent. Between dealing with antifa/blm lawless maniacs, dealing with other governments' predations on each others territories and people, we're headed for another world war unless we can throw them all out of office and get people who are actually interested in helping their neighbors.

On the other side - there are *constant* announcements of new discoveries in the sciences - NASA achieve long-distance quantum teleportation; a professor at Princeton invented a new nuclear rocket thruster that uses magnetic fields to increase thrust significantly, new simple tests to detect all types of diseases; crispr gene editing; xenobots; evidence of potential life on Venus; figuring out 3D shapes of proteins based upon their sequence of amino acids; measurement of the shortest unit of time; additional manufacture and study of einsteinium in the quest for the island of stability; discover of material on earth older than the solar system; finding of tyranosaur embryos; exercise-induced proteins that can reverse age-related cognitive decline; a new pain-suppression center in the brain; advances in additive manufacturing; a new quantum sensor that can analyze the entire RF spectrum; a new class of superconductors...

If all of these advances in basic scientific research can be brought to bear, we can solve many of the world's problems - governments and industry just need to get out of the way.

August · 02-07-21, 01:37 PM

I think our two political sides will unite to defeat the Germans once and for all. They are after all the worlds biggest threat to liberty.

Onkel Neal · 02-07-21, 01:42 PM

Let's not turn this thread into another political mess.

Rockstar · 02-07-21, 02:37 PM

As for the social control thing. I'm not talking Stalinist, 1984, Gulag Archipelago, dictatorships etc. etc. kinds of things. I'm thinking of it as a more subtle approach. We already have the New York Times suggesting a 'reality czar' which admittedly is at the moment only someone's opinion, but that's how things start.

In my opinion in order to maintain some kind of social control you do need to control the narrative and the media sources. That why I'm think in twenty years there will be tighter control over the internet and what is available on it. I also think because of the intardnet we will see the number of children grow who become very much involved in identity politics at an early age.

Here's some more sci-fi, think Robo Cop

Nevada bill would allow tech companies to create governments

https://apnews.com/article/legislatu...1e9102e8a0e5f0

Will it happen? I don't know, but its a start. If not this time maybe next or maybe in twenty years.

3catcircus · 02-07-21, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

As for the social control thing. I'm not talking Stalinist, 1984, Gulag Archipelago, dictatorships etc. etc. kinds of things. I'm thinking of it as a more subtle approach. We already have the New York Times suggesting a 'reality czar' which admittedly is at the moment only someone's opinion, but that's how things start.

In my opinion in order to maintain some kind of social control you do need to control the narrative and the media sources. That why I'm think in twenty years there will be tighter control over the internet and what is available on it. I also think because of the intardnet we will see the number of children grow who become very much involved in identity politics at an early age.

Here's some more sci-fi, think Robo Cop

Nevada bill would allow tech companies to create governments

https://apnews.com/article/legislatu...1e9102e8a0e5f0

Will it happen? I don't know, but its a start. If not this time maybe next or maybe in twenty years.

Social control? What do you think requiring masks and lockdowns is when the science points away from it as being effective outside of the clinical setting, but a trial run.

OCP- style megacorps? We're already there with tech companies and defense industries.

Time just published an article where they practically chortle like robber-barons while gloating that the left worked in unison with antifa/blm and Dems to stop Trump from being re-elected.

The only way to not end up 1984 is to get rid of every single elected official and CEO and put different people in their place. Term limits for all elected office is a good start. Preventing the government/industry/lobbyist revolving door is another good start.

skidman · 02-07-21, 04:35 PM

Social control is happening on Sunday morning in every church when science is portrayed as sin, abortion becomes murder, evolution never happened, God decides who will die from covid, and the highest possible amount of fear is put into every worshipper. Masks? Ridiculous!

3catcircus · 02-07-21, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by skidman

Social control is happening on Sunday morning in every church when science is portrayed as sin, abortion becomes murder, evolution never happened, God decides who will die from covid, and the highest possible amount of fear is put into every worshipper. Masks? Ridiculous!

Social control? Church is voluntary, last time I checked.

skidman · 02-07-21, 04:49 PM

peer pressure

3catcircus · 02-07-21, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by skidman

peer pressure

Peer pressure? The teenager stage only lasts a few years for most people...

skidman · 02-07-21, 05:11 PM

Well, for most...

Texas Red · 02-07-21, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar

That why I'm think in twenty years there will be tighter control over the internet and what is available on it. I also think because of the intardnet we will see the number of children grow who become very much involved in identity politics at an early age.

Yikes, I guess i am there already.

Buddahaid · 02-08-21, 01:07 AM

It's really just the same old crap in new clothes. Nothing has changed for millennia except the names and tools.

Bubblehead1980 · 02-08-21, 01:10 AM

Interesting answers from all.

Really difficult to say because things have grown so unpredictable. Never would have predicted 2016 and was surprised Biden defeated Trump in the manner he did. I find the mass mail in vote suspect but if they had evidence, feel it would have been out there. Would take one massive conspiracy for courts to ignore evidence, especially the Trump appointed Judges.

Barring some catastrophe I believe will be better off but much different. Mainly due to the advances in technology and frankly, as large numbers of less open minded people who tend to be older die off. The current group of 18-22 years are much maligned and their social habits annoy me immensely, but since began teaching, they are actually an inspiring bunch overall. They are socially conscious and act on these convictions, something I did not see among the rank and file of my generation ( I am 35) for the most part. This generation is not one which will tolerate going through life not being paid a living wage nor watching others suffer same fate, or a nation without universal health coverage, vacation, sick leave, parental leave, you know things most of the civilized world have. They are willing to take on corrupt institutions such as wall street. With automation becoming a major factor in our economy in next twenty years, a Universal Basic Income such as that proposed by Andrew Yang will not doubt become a necessity. There will be growing pains and plenty of ugliness but believe it will work out fine in the end.

On the other hand, can see us being a in a pseudo 1984 by then. Difficult to tell really.

Catfish · 02-08-21, 06:03 AM

Interesting

This (a)social behavior also unnerves me, especially Facebook-bullying

But also I think this fits: "Whenever a child learns critical thinking, somewhere a conspiracy theory dies."

ikalugin · 02-08-21, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Interesting answers from all.

Really difficult to say because things have grown so unpredictable. Never would have predicted 2016 and was surprised Biden defeated Trump in the manner he did. I find the mass mail in vote suspect but if they had evidence, feel it would have been out there. Would take one massive conspiracy for courts to ignore evidence, especially the Trump appointed Judges.

Barring some catastrophe I believe will be better off but much different. Mainly due to the advances in technology and frankly, as large numbers of less open minded people who tend to be older die off. The current group of 18-22 years are much maligned and their social habits annoy me immensely, but since began teaching, they are actually an inspiring bunch overall. They are socially conscious and act on these convictions, something I did not see among the rank and file of my generation ( I am 35) for the most part. This generation is not one which will tolerate going through life not being paid a living wage nor watching others suffer same fate, or a nation without universal health coverage, vacation, sick leave, parental leave, you know things most of the civilized world have. They are willing to take on corrupt institutions such as wall street. With automation becoming a major factor in our economy in next twenty years, a Universal Basic Income such as that proposed by Andrew Yang will not doubt become a necessity. There will be growing pains and plenty of ugliness but believe it will work out fine in the end.

On the other hand, can see us being a in a pseudo 1984 by then. Difficult to tell really.

The issue is that the road to hell is paved with best intentions and highly cooperative people tend to be a key component in totalitarian regimes as they form the outer party.

In general my concern is that identarianism is being used by the elites to distract from the real underlying problems of society (such as stagnating wages despite rising productivity).

So I am not optimistic, I believe that public movements who’s work is required to achieve positive outcomes (such as UBI that is considered by some to be the answer to automation) are being subverted by the powers that be and atomised.

And lack of leaders rather than influencers is going to make those movements impossible to control eventually, leading to mass public strife.

02-07-21, 01:42 PM	#18
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Let's not turn this thread into another political mess. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

02-07-21, 04:35 PM	#21
skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Social control is happening on Sunday morning in every church when science is portrayed as sin, abortion becomes murder, evolution never happened, God decides who will die from covid, and the highest possible amount of fear is put into every worshipper. Masks? Ridiculous! __________________ "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.” (Douglas Adams)

02-07-21, 04:49 PM	#23
skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	peer pressure __________________ "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.” (Douglas Adams)

02-07-21, 05:11 PM	#25
skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Well, for most... __________________ "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.” (Douglas Adams)

02-08-21, 01:07 AM	#27
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,332 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	It's really just the same old crap in new clothes. Nothing has changed for millennia except the names and tools. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

02-07-21, 12:16 PM	#16
3catcircus Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 979 Downloads: 256 Uploads: 0	We'll either be a flaming ruin with the rest of the world or we'll be entering a new golden age - nothing in between. We've got far too many governments and corporations at all levels filled with narcissistic power-hungry. money-crazed "leaders" more interested in their own club's membership than of the citizens they represent. Between dealing with antifa/blm lawless maniacs, dealing with other governments' predations on each others territories and people, we're headed for another world war unless we can throw them all out of office and get people who are actually interested in helping their neighbors. On the other side - there are constant announcements of new discoveries in the sciences - NASA achieve long-distance quantum teleportation; a professor at Princeton invented a new nuclear rocket thruster that uses magnetic fields to increase thrust significantly, new simple tests to detect all types of diseases; crispr gene editing; xenobots; evidence of potential life on Venus; figuring out 3D shapes of proteins based upon their sequence of amino acids; measurement of the shortest unit of time; additional manufacture and study of einsteinium in the quest for the island of stability; discover of material on earth older than the solar system; finding of tyranosaur embryos; exercise-induced proteins that can reverse age-related cognitive decline; a new pain-suppression center in the brain; advances in additive manufacturing; a new quantum sensor that can analyze the entire RF spectrum; a new class of superconductors... If all of these advances in basic scientific research can be brought to bear, we can solve many of the world's problems - governments and industry just need to get out of the way.

02-07-21, 01:37 PM	#17
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,221 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think our two political sides will unite to defeat the Germans once and for all. They are after all the worlds biggest threat to liberty.

02-07-21, 02:37 PM	#19
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	As for the social control thing. I'm not talking Stalinist, 1984, Gulag Archipelago, dictatorships etc. etc. kinds of things. I'm thinking of it as a more subtle approach. We already have the New York Times suggesting a 'reality czar' which admittedly is at the moment only someone's opinion, but that's how things start. In my opinion in order to maintain some kind of social control you do need to control the narrative and the media sources. That why I'm think in twenty years there will be tighter control over the internet and what is available on it. I also think because of the intardnet we will see the number of children grow who become very much involved in identity politics at an early age. Here's some more sci-fi, think Robo Cop Nevada bill would allow tech companies to create governments https://apnews.com/article/legislatu...1e9102e8a0e5f0 Will it happen? I don't know, but its a start. If not this time maybe next or maybe in twenty years.

02-08-21, 01:10 AM	#28
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,129 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	Interesting answers from all. Really difficult to say because things have grown so unpredictable. Never would have predicted 2016 and was surprised Biden defeated Trump in the manner he did. I find the mass mail in vote suspect but if they had evidence, feel it would have been out there. Would take one massive conspiracy for courts to ignore evidence, especially the Trump appointed Judges. Barring some catastrophe I believe will be better off but much different. Mainly due to the advances in technology and frankly, as large numbers of less open minded people who tend to be older die off. The current group of 18-22 years are much maligned and their social habits annoy me immensely, but since began teaching, they are actually an inspiring bunch overall. They are socially conscious and act on these convictions, something I did not see among the rank and file of my generation ( I am 35) for the most part. This generation is not one which will tolerate going through life not being paid a living wage nor watching others suffer same fate, or a nation without universal health coverage, vacation, sick leave, parental leave, you know things most of the civilized world have. They are willing to take on corrupt institutions such as wall street. With automation becoming a major factor in our economy in next twenty years, a Universal Basic Income such as that proposed by Andrew Yang will not doubt become a necessity. There will be growing pains and plenty of ugliness but believe it will work out fine in the end. On the other hand, can see us being a in a pseudo 1984 by then. Difficult to tell really.

02-08-21, 06:03 AM	#29
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,799 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Interesting This (a)social behavior also unnerves me, especially Facebook-bullying But also I think this fits: "Whenever a child learns critical thinking, somewhere a conspiracy theory dies." __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.