USA: Three Shot & Killed over Shoveling Snow

skidman · 02-07-21, 04:11 PM

Firearms and a lack of impulse control is a deadly mélange. And defending the shooter and blaming the victims is a true sign of insanity.

d@rk51d3 · 02-07-21, 04:30 PM

Don’t bring a snow shovel to a gunfight.

3catcircus · 02-07-21, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by skidman

Firearms and a lack of impulse control is a deadly mélange. And defending the shooter and blaming the victims is a true sign of insanity.

So you are saying that the Goys should have been allowed to continue their verbal abuse of Spaide and tossing of snow into his yard unmolested?

No one is defending what he did, but many of us who understand modern US civilization understand exactly what happened and why.

skidman · 02-07-21, 04:51 PM

So you're saying someone who does something not allowed should be shot?

3catcircus · 02-07-21, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by skidman

So you're saying someone who does something not allowed should be shot?

No - I'm saying that when you instigate a fight and taunt an armed individual and dare them to shoot you, you shouldn't be surprised when they do. It appears that the two parties had an ongoing feud that finally came to a head.

skidman · 02-07-21, 05:08 PM

Victim blaming again. Ah, whatever...

3catcircus · 02-07-21, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by skidman

Victim blaming again. Ah, whatever...

If you start a fight, you're not a victim. That's what happened here - the Goys started things and then escalated them before Spaide shot them.

Aktungbby · 02-07-21, 07:27 PM

That's not so. A verbal altercation is just that and does not necessitate an 'escalation of force' through physical altercation fists, rocks, clubs, etc, to the ultimate extreme of deadly force by lethal weaponry which can include kicking with a 'shod foot' ie: boot; up to axes, knives, automobiles (road rage at being 'flipped off') and firearms...In 'Merika at least, everyone has a
reasonable expectation of freedom of speach incl. insults w/o getting killed for it.

Onkel Neal · 02-07-21, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by skidman

Victim blaming again. Ah, whatever...

I'm not blaming the two who got shot...but sometimes when you poke the bear, it eats you.

GoldenRivet · 02-08-21, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I'm not blaming the two who got shot...but sometimes when you poke the bear, it eats you.

I wont victim blam either - but this fued didnt start on the day of the shooting. I'm sure bad blood has been at a simmer with these two camps for a while, and it reached its boil on the day of the shooting.

Was the guy right to shoot them? for heaven's sake no

Was the couple right for antagonizing and instigating and nagging him? not at all

are certain groups right for calling this "another AR-15 killing" when it clearly was not that? Nope... and before the bodies have cooled off we all get to have another gun control debate.

if you ask me, both parties have a hand in this wrong. and say both could have handled it drastically better is an understatement.

however, things like this have happened forever. people havnt gotten worse, its just the world has gotten smaller and this sort of "bad news" is worldwide overnight

02-07-21, 04:11 PM	#1
skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Firearms and a lack of impulse control is a deadly mélange. And defending the shooter and blaming the victims is a true sign of insanity. __________________ "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.” (Douglas Adams)

02-07-21, 04:51 PM	#4
skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	So you're saying someone who does something not allowed should be shot? __________________ "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.” (Douglas Adams)

02-07-21, 05:08 PM	#6
skidman Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Near the Dutch mountains Posts: 1,147 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Victim blaming again. Ah, whatever... __________________ "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.” (Douglas Adams)

02-07-21, 07:27 PM	#8
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 30,080 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	That's not so. A verbal altercation is just that and does not necessitate an 'escalation of force' through physical altercation fists, rocks, clubs, etc, to the ultimate extreme of deadly force by lethal weaponry which can include kicking with a 'shod foot' ie: boot; up to axes, knives, automobiles (road rage at being 'flipped off') and firearms...In 'Merika at least, everyone has a reasonable expectation of freedom of speach incl. insults w/o getting killed for it. __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!!

02-07-21, 04:30 PM	#2
d@rk51d3 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 1,953 Downloads: 207 Uploads: 0	Don’t bring a snow shovel to a gunfight.