US Politics Thread 2021-24

[MaDef]

Biden needs Congress' consent. He cannot move the embassy on his own authority due to the Jerusalem Embassy Act of 1995. According to that law, the Embassy should have been moved no later than May of 1999.

[bstanko6]

But Skybird...

You should be happy!

Sure Biden is going to allow our worst enemy capabilities of killing us and starting a 3rd WW. He’s going to slow down our markets if they don’t. He’s going to destroy every single thing that was good in this country. You wanted this. According to you and others, Trump is so terrible he was absolutely destined to be removed because he is the next Hitler! Don’t have doubts now.

I don’t understand why anybody in this forum has any problems with what Joe Biden does at all. Trump is worse! So what’s the problem here? Fallout is approaching.

Yay! You should be dancing right now.

[August]

Originally Posted by bstanko6

I don’t understand why anybody in this forum has any problems with what Joe Biden does at all. Trump is worse! So what’s the problem here? Fallout is approaching.

Yay! You should be dancing right now.

Criticizing the efforts of others while doing nothing about their own short comings is pretty much how the forum Euros operate these days. They don't have much else since the Brits told them to get Blexit stuffed (Bully for John Bull!)

You should have been here 10-12 years ago when they were boasting about their mighty new economic union and how the Euro would wipe us out in short order. Most of them kinda reminded me a little of Nikita Kurschev banging his shoe on the podium saying that he would bury us.

I think Teddy Roosevelt describes them the best:

“A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticize work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life's realities—all these are marks, not of superiority but of weakness.”

[Jeff-Groves]

Geez.
Looks like no matter who is President they are gonna be criticized and attacked.
Don't run for President Neal or you'll catch hell also!

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

Geez.
Looks like no matter who is President they are gonna be criticized and attacked.
Don't run for President Neal or you'll catch hell also!

Looking at everything in hindsight all I see is a bunch of old rich men making money off of what they think and selling advertising time for the viewers to watch and agree with the views of that network.

CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/MSNBC and FOX

[August]

Caught with Their Hands in the Cookie Jar

The Democrats stole the election, and it’s critically important we keep saying it.
By Jeremy Carl

January 29, 2021
If you have a number of children, as I do, you might be familiar with something like the following scene: A child is caught red-handed doing something he shouldn’t, say, stealing a cookie from the cookie jar. When confronted, he immediately begins to deny guilt and deflect blame.
“My sister ate the cookie! I was just reaching my hand in to make sure it was gone so I could tell you,” the child might exclaim, while dusting cookie crumbs off of his shirt. If pressed about his obvious guilt, he might become angry and lash out.
This is just the sort of behavior we are witnessing from the election-rigging Democrats over the past several weeks. They scream “insurrection” and “coup” at 74.2 million Trump supporters who supposedly bear collective guilt for the actions of a few hundred rioting LARPers at the Capitol, who were immediately denounced by virtually everyone on the Right (in sharp contrast to leftist rioters over the summer, who were coddled and encouraged by the Democrats).
Meanwhile, these same election riggers have launched a “domestic terrorism” witch hunt against Trump supporters, in a clear and obvious attempt to suppress political opposition to the new regime.
Like the child with his hand in the cookie jar, the more guilty the Democrats are of “winning” a blatantly rigged election versus Donald Trump, the louder they must scream about their noble crusade to save “democracy” from “fascism.”
As commentator Glenn Greenwald recently told Tucker Carlson, “They’re trying to harness corporate and monopoly power to silence everyone who disagrees with them, the very hallmark, the epitome of the fascism they claim to be fighting, but which in reality they embody.”


The Depressing Truth

Given our current strategic situation, the fact that this election was rigged is the core message we need to proclaim, and that is—not coincidentally—why it is the one thing social media and the powers that be will not allow us to say. The reign of terror they are unleashing upon the Right is really a demand that we accept their false narrative.
And here’s an uglier and more depressing truth we need to embrace: They rigged the election in front of our very eyes because we weren’t smart enough, tough enough, and most importantly, not powerful enough to stop them. That’s something we desperately need to fix before 2024, and election integrity efforts led by Senators Ted Cruz (R-Texas), Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.)—not coincidentally three of the top targets of the left-wing mob—are a vital part of that effort.
To be clear, there are some important ways in which I differ from Trump and some of his supporters on the nature of the election-rigging that took place. While I have not reviewed every detail of each claim, reports that I have examined of hacked Dominion machines, mass-switched votes, or other overt fraud at the level to have changed the election results ranges from the somewhat unlikely to the outlandish. President Trump did not help his own case by amplifying some of the more implausible of these theories. But direct fraud is mostly for amateurs. The Democrats were pros, stacking the deck so heavily in advance that they could be virtually certain the cards would play out in their favor.
In this context, it is important to note the closeness of the race: just 44,000 votes in three states, a total of 0.013 percent of the total votes cast nationwide, would have needed to be switched from Biden to Trump to have handed President Trump a victory. In a free and fair U.S. election, Donald Trump would have certainly been reelected, and probably reelected easily.
So while I remain somewhat skeptical about the mass rigging of the vote count itself, most assuredly everything else about the election was rigged.
The voter registration and the voting process was rigged: Facebook helped register more than 4.4 million voters, with a clear and substantial slant to the Democrats. Meanwhile, Mark Zuckerberg, through the Center for Technology and Civic Life, whose intricate dark money plans were revealed by the Amistad Project, personally spent nearly $500 million on “election technology” with benefits and registration overwhelmingly going to Democratic areas, in violation of state laws in many cases.
“Activist organizations created a two-tiered election system that treated voters differently depending on whether they lived in Democrat or Republican strongholds,” wrote Amistad Project director Phil Kline in the devastating report documenting the tech oligarch’s corrupt practices.
Meanwhile, Michael Bloomberg personally spent $100 million on Democrats’ get-out-the-vote efforts in Florida alone (along with $5 million going to Stacey Abrams in Georgia), all to media applause. Remember when the Democrats pretended to care about campaign finance reform?

Rigging All Around

The tech platforms were rigged. Facebook and Twitter deplatformed some of Trump’s most powerful and influential online supporters. Others, observing what happened to their comrades, self-censored. In the leadup to 2020, Reddit took down the most popular Donald Trump forums. The president’s statements were publicly challenged by the platforms and made difficult to share.
The New York Post, founded by Alexander Hamilton, had their explosive story on Hunter Biden censored and their account frozen by Twitter while Facebook censored it from newsfeeds. And of course, immediately after their successful coup, Big Tech dropped all pretense, banning the sitting president himself, and preventing him from talking to the American people from his most powerful communications channel. When the full data on Google’s search engine manipulation is released by researcher Robert Epstein in the coming months, we’ll have an even more complete picture of tech malfeasance.
The debates were rigged. The Presidential Debate Commission, as Bob Dole noted, had no Trump supporters on it. Yet we were supposed to assume the debates were “fair” despite the obvious bias in the moderators’ questions and subjects.
The public polls were rigged—and private pollsters were afraid to get crosswise of media polls. For the second straight election, Trump’s support was badly understated. These polls helped build a consensus narrative that was highly unfavorable to the president, which became self-fulfilling. Allegedly partisan GOP pollsters were more accurate.
The voting process was rigged. Numbers of rejected mail-in ballots were often an order of magnitude lower this year than in previous years. With mail-in voting being overwhelmingly done by Democrats, this was a tremendous partisan advantage. The extension of voting to weeks, rather than having it conducted only on Election Day or over a couple of days again helped the Democrats bring out their marginal voters. There were extensions of balloting before and beyond dates allowed in state constitutions. That’s to say nothing of ballot harvesting and ballot “curing” done on heretofore unprecedented scales.
The media was rigged. They relentlessly pushed Russian collusion conspiracy theories for four years while failing seriously to ask even the most basic questions of Biden concerning his mental acuity, frequent “lids,” and his views on critical policy positions such as a radical plan to pack the Supreme Court. Biden had an almost 50-year record filled with no small numbers of scandals, and the media refused to interrogate it.
The handling of COVID was rigged. From “two weeks to slow the spread” transforming into months of lockdowns, to the fact that numerous re-openings of schools, businesses, and other public forums conveniently occurred shortly after Biden took office. The lockdowns were particularly devastating to small businesses whose owners made up a powerful Trump constituency, while Biden’s Big Tech backers made billions and his government employee supporters, including powerful teachers’ unions still drew their paychecks. Months of Black Lives Matter riots were encouraged by all of the institutions of our society—even public health officials during the heart of the pandemic. Corporations gave BLM organizations more than $10 billion in 2020. These demonstrations and shows of raw, unchecked, left-wing power energized the Democrats’ base while the inaction of the authorities to stop it discouraged ours.
Some of the areas above had greater effect than others on the ultimate outcome, but without question, in totality, they provided far more than the narrow margin needed to turn a Biden “victory” into a Trump one.


A Call to Live in Truth

Of course, the Left wants us to stop “whining” and says that we are undermining confidence in our institutions, but our institutions have been at war with the American middle class for decades. In such a situation, undermining confidence in our system is not a bug, it’s a feature.
It is also no coincidence that the Republican quislings—who have played so conveniently into the Democrats’ impeachment talking points and express outrage at the president’s election rhetoric—can’t seem to muster any outrage at all for any of the systemic rigging discussed above. It’s almost as if they are happier with the uniparty, where they can play the loveable “respected” losers in a Washington Generals-Harlem Globetrotters D.C. soap opera.
Given the numerous powers arrayed against us, we have one power left—what the great Czech dissident playwright and future prime minister Vaclav Havel called, “The Power of the Powerless.” We can refuse to live the lie the Democrats are attempting to force on us and in fact, “live in truth.” As we enter into four years of dissidence—living our lives as a real resistance, rather than the fake corporate-sponsored “resistance” of the Democrats in the Trump era, Havel’s call to live in truth, even against tremendous resistance from the corrupt establishment in both parties, will be become essential for us to embrace.

https://amgreatness.com/2021/01/29/c...he-cookie-jar/

[Jeff-Groves]

You know there will be MANY posts calling you a conspiracy nut now.

[Sonicfire1981]

Not even one half-sentence made a sound argument as to why the election was supposedly stolen.

I must not interfere with that; at this point, getting some in touch with reality is a lost cause.

Good luck to all americans.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

You know there will be MANY posts calling you a conspiracy nut now.

In first!

[mapuc]

Hmm with my little knowledge about American Politics and former President

I would say, that the dem didn't steal the election.

Former President gave it to them freely.

Another thing

Have just seen CNN and understand there's a manhunt for the person who had planted some bomb-device outside Capitol.

Would this indicate it was planned ?

Markus

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

You know there will be MANY posts calling you a conspiracy nut now.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you...


In all seriousness - we've had election shenanigans in the US probably going all the way back to George Washington's time.


Its only now that we have sufficient technology access to see real-time and near-real-time election results to actually be able to prove it. We've seen commentary from people involved in monitoring shady elections in african nations who are 100% certain that fraudulent elections occurred here.



Let's look at the various claims of election problems:


1. The easiest one - that ballots were allowed to be turned in that weren't legal because they weren't cast by the person who the ballot was provided for. This is very simple - compare the signature on the ballot to the one in the book. Does it match?
2. Claims of late ballots. It isn't hard if the mail-in ballot's postmark is past the election date to throw it out.

3. Claims of interference in the process for mail-in ballots to allow late ballots. It is crystal clear that only a legislature can change election processes in their state. Executive orders were issues in some states to change the process. It matters not one iota if it was done because of covid. In fact - we're already starting to see court rulings on this - the VA change was recently ruled illegal.
4. Claims that poll-watchers weren't allowed to see the counts or fraudulent activities took place that forced poll-watchers from the counting locations. Thousands of affidavits can't all be wrong when they are all claiming this happened.
5. Claims of counting of machine-filled-in ballots. Produce those ballots so they can be examined - anyone who has ever taken a standardized test on a Scantron form knows how impossible it is to perfectly circle in every bubble on the form.

6. Claims of ballot counts that are statistically impossible. Mathematicians and economists have commented on the would not-could not way that the counts suddenly prompt jumped for Biden while not statistically also increasing for Trump. Whether due to a bunch of illegal ballots or due to counting machine errors - doesn't matter - its still a statistical impossibility.
7. Claims of weighted counting - this can only be done if the counting machine software is specifically configured to do so.
8. Claims of dead people and out of state voters casting ballots. Seems pretty simple.
9. Claims that vote counts were tallied incorrectly when machines jammed and weren't reset properly.



Each individual anomaly listed above is unlikely to affect the outcome of an election. When you add the effect of unintentional errors and intentional interference, it still is unlikely to affect the outcome if it is randomly distributed across the entire country. That these all happened in *specific* states and that the authorities in those states refused to hear evidence in court because of "procedural errors" or "lack of standing" and authorities have already destroyed ballots and wiped counting machines should concern anyone, regardless of political affiliation.


How is it that Florida managed to get their counting done with no claims of interference within hours of the polls closing? Perhaps its because they fired the incompetents, revamped their processes, and actually monitored things ever since the 2000 election? The governor actually did his job and fired a board of elections supervisor in 2018 for being crooked and incompetent.



The *only* way to fix what is an entirely broken system is to do the following:


1. Zero out all voter rolls in every district in the entire country. Make *everyone* re-apply for a voter registration. Do it in person so signatures can be recorded.
2. Require companies making voting machines and vote tally machines to provide full source code, with all comments, for audit.
3. Go through every single claim of voting fraud from this past November - force discovery and the entering of evidence into the record - including witness affidavits and expert witness testimony.
4. Eliminate gerrymandering completely.
5. Actually monitor board of elections supervisors and get rid of those that are lazy, incompetent, or crooked.

6. Term limits for Congress - 2 x 4 years for senators, 3 x 2 years for representatives. No jumping from representative to senator when you reach your term limit.
7. Force the media to report objectively when they claim to be news and not editorial, regardless of who is running for election or who is in office.



If we as a nation don't do this, then there will continue to be a broken political system and political violence will only increase - when a portion of the population is 100% convinced that their candidate was robbed of an election and a chunk of them is willing to engage in violence, they aren't going to stop when some of them are arrested. Make no mistake - what happened on January 6th is likely to happen again because what no one wants to admit or fails to realize is that those that engaged in those acts of violence weren't a bunch of crazies - they're average citizens who apparently felt like they had no other choice because they likely felt that the entire system is corrupt and no one in a position of authority wants to listen to their grievances. Especially when they saw all year long the violence from those on the left that went completely unpunished. That, boys and girls, is how insurrections in 3rd-world countries start.



Had the opportunity presented itself, I'm willing to bet that the more violent of the bunch would have taken people hostage. That one of the key targets of their ire is a woman so tone-deaf that she happily showed her multi-thousand dollar freezer in her multi-million dollar home full of $20/pint ice cream, while representing a district that is nothing but abject poverty despite her being in office for decades supposedly making things better for them just speaks volumes as to what those rioters saw as exactly what is wrong with their elected representatives. Until elected officials actually do what is supposed to be their whole reason for being elected instead of focusing on getting re-elected to keep their gravy train running, things are going to continue to deteriorate.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Hmm with my little knowledge about American Politics and former President

I would say, that the dem didn't steal the election.

Former President gave it to them freely.

Another thing

Have just seen CNN and understand there's a manhunt for the person who had planted some bomb-device outside Capitol.

Would this indicate it was planned ?

Markus

Law enforcement knew that the violence on the 6th was planned days in advance. The reason rioters were able to get into the building was due to a combination of incompetence and rice-bowl territorialness.


DC Metro PD didn't want the national guard. Capitol PD didn't want the national guard.


We have confirmation that Trump told his secretary of defense that there should be 10,000 troops in town on the 6th because of the predicted crowd size - not even the possibility of violence, but crowd size.


Some estimates put the crowd at 100,000+. We don't know for certain because the media didn't actually show the crowd size for fear of showing how many people were there and apparently felt that the election was stolen by the Democrats i.e. - minimal to non-existent.


There are rumors that the Dems kept the fences and guardsmen there for the inauguration - not because of the potential for more violence - but because they were terrified that it would be revealed that the quantity of people showing up would be more on par with the quantity of people who showed up to Biden's rallies during the campaign.


Really what it boils down to is we currently have an unpopular president in office who will do nothing that he isn't directed to by his handlers (and they want it that way because that's the way its been for decades until Trump came along). That president has no actual voter support, no answers and no plan and is being propped up by a media that was angry for the past four years that Hillary wasn't president. We'll continue to see a media that covers for the current administration. As a result, we'll continue to see a resistance by many many citizens - some will be violent, some will be whistleblowers, some will passively-aggressively resist - this form of warrior populism isn't going away even if Trump can't run for office again - and its entirely the fault of elected officials and the media that we have a government this way instead of educated thoughtful statesmen and women and talented orators. Government isn't the province of talented and conscientious employees and elected officials - its a dumping ground for the lazy and incompetent, allowed to be that way by out of touch elitist elected officials paid to shill for crony capitalism and foreign influences.

[skidman]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

7. Force the media to report objectively when they claim to be news and not editorial

Ah, force the media. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of you.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by bstanko6

But Skybird...

You should be happy!

Sure Biden is going to allow our worst enemy capabilities of killing us and starting a 3rd WW. He’s going to slow down our markets if they don’t. He’s going to destroy every single thing that was good in this country. You wanted this. According to you and others, Trump is so terrible he was absolutely destined to be removed because he is the next Hitler! Don’t have doubts now.

I don’t understand why anybody in this forum has any problems with what Joe Biden does at all. Trump is worse! So what’s the problem here? Fallout is approaching.

Yay! You should be dancing right now.

And you should tune down the contrast level in your mental image, then you maybe see that there is more than just Black and White. Shades of grey. Even colours.

[Sonicfire1981]

Originally Posted by 3catcircus

[...] being propped up by a media that was angry for the past four years that Hillary wasn't president. We'll continue to see a media that covers for the current administration.[...]

Originally Posted by skidman

Ah, force the media. Joseph Goebbels would be proud of you.

All. world. media. The conspiracy reaches from Atlanta all the way to Zimbabwe. It is so powerful, they suppress real proof even in the private parler-chatrooms and meticulously deleted it on all the posts above; in a way you can't even tell, because the sentences are grammatically & semantically sound & coherent. Are you afraid? You should be.
The only ones not affected outside of the US are right wing groups rallying around fascists (e.g. in Germany. One posted on twitter: "Joe Biden is not my president", to which A newspaper responded "That is correct - your presidents name is Frank Walter Steinmeier". I thought that was hillarious and I share.)