Superstition or prejudice

Platapus · 01-19-21, 11:21 AM

In the USA I don't think we have any national superstitions, primarily because we are a mixing bowl/salad plate when it comes to culture.

Von Due · 01-19-21, 11:47 AM

The black cat crossing the road is well known in Norway as well although I do prefer Groucho Marx's "a black cat crossing the road means it's going somewhere".

Never wish a fisherman good luck fishing as it brings bad luck fishing

Never enter someone's home wearing a hat or cap as it brings misfortune to everybody

Whistling at the sun causes rain

A farmer should, around christmas, put a bowl of porridge in the barn for the local gnome, so that he will continue to protect the farm, the crop, the animals, the farmer and his family. If that fails, do not send porridge to the agricultural dept. for financial aid.

mapuc · 01-19-21, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

In the USA I don't think we have any national superstitions, primarily because we are a mixing bowl/salad plate when it comes to culture.

That's true. Many of these superstitions and/or prejudice is somehow(not 100 % sure) based on culture.

I sad to myself it must be some kind of superstition in the States.

Found this

https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/mos...-united-states

Markus

Platapus · 01-19-21, 05:03 PM

Yeah, I can see the Knock on Wood one as being popular here in the USA.

Jeff-Groves · 01-19-21, 05:12 PM

In the U.S.A. anyway.
Tall buildings don't have a floor 13.
It goes from 12 to 14
The belief 13 is an unlucky number dates back to the Knights Templar betrayal by the Pope and King of France.
Who both suffered that betrayal.

Jeff-Groves · 01-19-21, 05:31 PM

Having a rabbits foot is considered lucky by many.
Unfortunately that foot was not lucky for the donating Rabbit!

Jeff-Groves · 01-19-21, 05:34 PM

In the Irish story of the blacksmith and the devil, one day a blacksmith was working hard in his shop forging horseshoes.
Suddenly, the devil appeared and demanded his own shoes.
The blacksmith, recognizing the devil, took a burning hot shoe and nailed it deep into the devil's hooves.
After walking away, the devil was in such excruciating pain, he ripped the horseshoes off and swore he would never go near one again.
Thus, the tradition of hanging a horseshoe over the entrance of a house to ward off evil spirits was born.

Jeff-Groves · 01-19-21, 05:39 PM

Breaking a mirror.
7 years bad luck is credited to the Romans, who are said to have believed that life renewed itself every seven years. Damaging a mirror was tantamount to damaging one’s health and therefore brought about a calamity that would not be fully righted until the next seven-year cycle had passed.

August · 01-20-21, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

In the USA I don't think we have any national superstitions, primarily because we are a mixing bowl/salad plate when it comes to culture.

Yeah whatever beliefs an ethnic group brings with them there are a dozen others who would declare it to be superstitious nonsense.

Bilge_Rat · 01-21-21, 02:14 PM

Apparently, the tradition of Friday the 13th being an unlucky day goes back to Friday, October 13th, 1307 when the King of France ordered the arrest of the leadership of the Knights Templar. The King owed large amounts of money to the order and layed false charges of heresy to get out of repaying. Many were burned at the stake and the order was dissolved:

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At dawn on Friday, 13 October 1307 (a date sometimes linked with the origin of the Friday the 13th superstition)[37][38] King Philip IV ordered de Molay and scores of other French Templars to be simultaneously arrested. The arrest warrant started with the phrase: "Dieu n'est pas content, nous avons des ennemis de la foi dans le Royaume" ["God is not pleased. We have enemies of the faith in the kingdom"].[39] Claims were made that during Templar admissions ceremonies, recruits were forced to spit on the Cross, deny Christ, and engage in indecent kissing; brethren were also accused of worshipping idols, and the order was said to have encouraged homosexual practices.[40] These allegations, though, were highly politicised without any real evidence.[41] Still, the Templars were charged with numerous other offences such as financial corruption, fraud, and secrecy.[42] Many of the accused confessed to these charges under torture (even though the Templars denied being tortured in their written confessions), and their confessions, even though obtained under duress, caused a scandal in Paris. The prisoners were coerced to confess that they had spat on the Cross: "Moi, Raymond de La Fère, 21 ans, reconnais que [j'ai] craché trois fois sur la Croix, mais de bouche et pas de cœur" ["I, Raymond de La Fère, 21 years old, admit that I have spat three times on the Cross, but only from my mouth and not from my heart"]. The Templars were accused of idolatry and were suspected of worshiping either a figure known as Baphomet or a mummified severed head they recovered, amongst other artifacts, at their original headquarters on the Temple Mount that many scholars theorize might have been that of John the Baptist, among other things.[43]

Relenting to Phillip's demands, Pope Clement then issued the papal bull Pastoralis praeeminentiae on 22 November 1307, which instructed all Christian monarchs in Europe to arrest all Templars and seize their assets.[44] Pope Clement called for papal hearings to determine the Templars' guilt or innocence, and once freed of the Inquisitors' torture, many Templars recanted their confessions. Some had sufficient legal experience to defend themselves in the trials, but in 1310, having appointed the archbishop of Sens, Philippe de Marigny, to lead the investigation, Philip blocked this attempt, using the previously forced confessions to have dozens of Templars burned at the stake in Paris.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight...nd_dissolution

mapuc · 01-21-21, 02:30 PM

^
The tradition that Friday the 13th is an unlucky day

is almost an international superstition

So far so good-but the story behind it change from country or area to country or area.

As mentioned here in Scandinavia 13 as unlucky number is based on the Bible
Jesus last supper.

I find it very interesting- We have same superstition-but reason why is different.

Markus

Jeff-Groves · 01-21-21, 05:43 PM

Spilling Salt has different means in many places.
Some say it opens the door to let Satan into your life.
Others just say it's bad luck depending on who the spill points at.

It's claimed tossing salt over your left shoulder keeps Satan at bay.
Satan is said to lurk over your left shoulder looking for a way to influence you.

Jimbuna · 01-22-21, 07:29 AM

Unlucky to open an umbrella indoors.

Jeff-Groves · 01-22-21, 10:45 AM

If one side of a penny brings good luck, the other side brings bad.
This is where the heads up for luck and tails for bad luck comes from.
If you find a penny with the “good” side up, pick it up.
If the “bad” side is up, leave it be.

If you find a dime in your house?
It's probably a spider paying you rent.

01-19-21, 11:21 AM	#1
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,375 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	In the USA I don't think we have any national superstitions, primarily because we are a mixing bowl/salad plate when it comes to culture. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

01-19-21, 05:03 PM	#4
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,375 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Yeah, I can see the Knock on Wood one as being popular here in the USA. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

01-22-21, 07:29 AM	#13
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,615 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Unlucky to open an umbrella indoors. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-19-21, 11:47 AM	#2
Von Due Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,690 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	The black cat crossing the road is well known in Norway as well although I do prefer Groucho Marx's "a black cat crossing the road means it's going somewhere". Never wish a fisherman good luck fishing as it brings bad luck fishing Never enter someone's home wearing a hat or cap as it brings misfortune to everybody Whistling at the sun causes rain A farmer should, around christmas, put a bowl of porridge in the barn for the local gnome, so that he will continue to protect the farm, the crop, the animals, the farmer and his family. If that fails, do not send porridge to the agricultural dept. for financial aid.

01-19-21, 05:12 PM	#5
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,652 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	In the U.S.A. anyway. Tall buildings don't have a floor 13. It goes from 12 to 14 The belief 13 is an unlucky number dates back to the Knights Templar betrayal by the Pope and King of France. Who both suffered that betrayal.

01-19-21, 05:31 PM	#6
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,652 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Having a rabbits foot is considered lucky by many. Unfortunately that foot was not lucky for the donating Rabbit!

01-19-21, 05:34 PM	#7
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,652 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	In the Irish story of the blacksmith and the devil, one day a blacksmith was working hard in his shop forging horseshoes. Suddenly, the devil appeared and demanded his own shoes. The blacksmith, recognizing the devil, took a burning hot shoe and nailed it deep into the devil's hooves. After walking away, the devil was in such excruciating pain, he ripped the horseshoes off and swore he would never go near one again. Thus, the tradition of hanging a horseshoe over the entrance of a house to ward off evil spirits was born.

01-19-21, 05:39 PM	#8
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,652 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Breaking a mirror. 7 years bad luck is credited to the Romans, who are said to have believed that life renewed itself every seven years. Damaging a mirror was tantamount to damaging one’s health and therefore brought about a calamity that would not be fully righted until the next seven-year cycle had passed.

01-21-21, 02:30 PM	#11
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,541 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	^ The tradition that Friday the 13th is an unlucky day is almost an international superstition So far so good-but the story behind it change from country or area to country or area. As mentioned here in Scandinavia 13 as unlucky number is based on the Bible Jesus last supper. I find it very interesting- We have same superstition-but reason why is different. Markus

01-21-21, 05:43 PM	#12
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,652 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Spilling Salt has different means in many places. Some say it opens the door to let Satan into your life. Others just say it's bad luck depending on who the spill points at. It's claimed tossing salt over your left shoulder keeps Satan at bay. Satan is said to lurk over your left shoulder looking for a way to influence you.

01-22-21, 10:45 AM	#14
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,652 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	If one side of a penny brings good luck, the other side brings bad. This is where the heads up for luck and tails for bad luck comes from. If you find a penny with the “good” side up, pick it up. If the “bad” side is up, leave it be. If you find a dime in your house? It's probably a spider paying you rent.